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9/11:
The Big Lie by Thierry Meyssan
Although widely criticized when it first appeared in March of this
year, Thierry Meyssans 11 Septembre: LEffroyable Imposture,
nevertheless went on Frances bestseller list in its second week
and became the highest-grossing book in a single week in Europe ever.
As Alan Riding noted in the European edition of The New York Times,
it is a book that has taken on a life of its own. Now, American readers
have their own opportunity to evaluate the merit of the authors
arguments. Just published by USA Books are the English-language editions
of the original title and a companion volume, Pentagate. As a former
student of theology as well as of political science, M. Meyssan brings
to his work a sincere desire to provide an explanation of the tragedy
in the context of his left-of-center philosophy. His books are focused
primarily on what he believes are serious inconsistencies between
observations of the damage to the Pentagon and the official explanation
of what happened there. In September 11: The Big Lie, he also discusses
similar discrepancies surrounding the destruction of the World Trade
Center towers. The evidence that supports the authors arguments
includes eyewitness accounts and commentary by a military authority
on explosives. However, most of the narrative consists of the authors
own analyses of the reports by politicians and journalists as well
as of film footage of the sites. Photos are included. According to
the author, interest in these books in the U.S. is already very strong.Speaking
as head of a think tank called the Voltaire Network, he notes, Two-thirds
of the hits on our Web site come from the United States. For students
of history and political science, as well as all concerned citizens,
these are important books to be aware of. While some may be offended
by the authors conclusions, his beliefs clearly hold an appeal
for many outside the United States. |
The
Shadow Government: 9-11 and State Terror by Len Bracken, Andrew Smith,
Kenn Thomas
Bracken attempts to explain, in prose by turns elegant and overwrought,
why Bush White House and Pentagon officials plotted to kill thousands
in an "indirect defense attack" on September 11and
how they plan to profit off such monstrous self-sabotage: a potential
$15 billion in insider stock trades (the SEC, Bracken notes, has refused
to reveal the names of those who made windfalls on that Tuesday);
the expected construction of a lucrative, Houston-sponsored pipeline
across Afghanistan; and the passage of pro-policing bills like the
USA Patriot Act, among other nefarious objectives. |
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Fortunate
Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President by J.
H. Hatfield, Greg Palast
If you want to find out more about public officials, start with the
books they don't want you to read. Fortunate Son, James Hatfield's
swan song, amasses the singlemost informative and chilling overview
of Bush the Younger, a man of wealth, privilege, and arrogance nearing
Shakespearean proportions. In the wake of its destruction by its original
publisher, subsequent revival by Soft Skull Press, as well as the
tragic suicide of its author, this book has undergone several revisions.
This third revision, featuring a new forward by Greg Palast and Mark
Crispin Miller, is as outstanding as they come, the antithesis to
all of the Neoconservative-sanctioned Bush books flooding the market.
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Session Start: Tue Sep 11 06:17:31 2001
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[06:17] <LindaWS> Sharonelle .. not sure if they were hijacked then
dumped
[06:17] <Zeno> hi Aurora
[06:17] <ShowTime> bush doesn't need nobody LindaWS
[06:17] <Sharonelle> ShowTime - I don't hear they were hijacked -
but I don't think it's an accident.
[06:17] <LindaWS> Zeno turn on tv
[06:17] <Twoputt> You have to figure there were at least 100 passengers
on each plane.
[06:17] <Aurora> ~~~~ Zeno
[06:17] <ShowTime> LindaWS it's confirmed they were hijacked
[06:17] <Zeno> Why the hell is Phi|o here?
[06:17] <ShowTime> i heard it on NBC
[06:18] <LindaWS> ShowTime . this is so sad, I feel for the good people
in america
[06:18] <julee> well, somebody owns us now
[06:18] <ShowTime> Phi|o is a plant Zeno
[06:18] <SharpEye> This may be the opening rounds of a REAL WAR. dont
be suprized if we have Nuclear Bombs going off today
[06:18] <crazylady> 737 was hijacked
[06:18] <ShowTime> the channel plant
[06:18] <go> FNC reports hijacking too
[06:18] <Zeno> LindaWS what's on the toob this morning? big news?
[06:18] <LindaWS> Zeno there is a horrific disaster
[06:18] <Sharonelle> Zeno - cause this ain't a cnn channel <>
[06:18] <smirks> can't get on the 1010 WINS or the WCBS 880 websites
[06:18] <alphabuck> i said it sorta off the cuff but im telling you
this is a demonstration of why missle defense wont work. no better cruise
missle than a passenger liner
[06:18] <Radio_Flyer> By the way, according to the FAA rules, there's
a specific altitude that must be enforced when flying over congested areas.
[06:18] <Sharonelle> alphabuck - yep
[06:18] <zz> SharpEye .. geezz..
[06:18] <Blooming2000_Dad> Is there streaming video on this?
[06:18] <Zeno> wow you guys look scared
[06:18] <LindaWS> alphabuck . it aint rocket science, that rumsfedl
is wasting your money while
[06:18] <Anders> alphabuck, good point.
[06:18] <crazylady> morning EdC
[06:18] <ShowTime> Zeno terrified for those in the new trade center
[06:18] <LindaWS> Radio_Flyer correct, what is air traffic reporting
[06:19] <Anders> I can't imagine who can justifie this......
[06:19] <Sharonelle> I'm watching CNN
[06:19] <EdC> hey
[06:19] <ShowTime> this is a major crisis for bush right now
[06:19] <LindaWS> EdC more than hey
[06:19] <Anders> <--- don't have cnn. :(
[06:19] * Zeno takes EdC's pocket protector
[06:19] <LindaWS> ShowTime , Bush policies lead to this
[06:19] <zz> ShowTime duh.. what are you saying?
[06:19] <ShowTime> Anders NBC has better coverage
[06:19] <Blooming2000_Dad> Showtime yea.. right
[06:19] <LindaWS> ShowTime you are right
[06:19] <crazylady> ARGH having browser problems cant look at ANYTHING
[06:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o shooby
[06:19] <Aurora> ohhhhhh brother....
[06:19] <crazylady> morning ShowTime
[06:19] <shooby> morning!
[06:19] <EdC> yeah! sumtins broken...
[06:20] <ShowTime> EdC :)
[06:20] <LindaWS> ny is broken
[06:20] <Zeno> crazylady the net is overloaded. same thign here.
[06:20] <Anders> ShowTime, well that woudln't help. I don't have cable....
but now I wish I had.
[06:20] <go> why would a pilot kill others like that instead of just
refusing to do it and get killed himself?
[06:20] <ShowTime> this is horrible, thousand will be dead
[06:20] <crazylady> Zeno no I cant open ANYTHING
[06:20] <Zeno> crazylady same here
[06:20] <Anders> go, the pilot was probably shot
[06:20] <zz> they need some forest fighter planes to dump foam.. only
chance
[06:20] <alphabuck> lws...well this is one time where im glad we have
spent billions on the military and intelligence. we're gonna have to extract
some retribution from somebody
[06:20] <ShowTime> go both planes were hijacked
[06:20] <LindaWS> Anders dont panic this video will be shown ad nauseum
just like the Concorde Crash
[06:20] * Zeno goes to turn on the toob
[06:20] <go> Anders....ahh...that would explain it
[06:20] <julee> if there are 200 hundred floors and 50,000 people
and at least a 1/3 is burning , how many ppl do you estimate are dead
[06:20] <LindaWS> alphabuck your military is antiquated, it doesnt
address 3 men in a row boat who took out the uss cole
[06:21] <LindaWS> what the hell is wrong with america? why piss off
everyone
[06:21] <ShowTime> officials in pentagon are saying this is a terrorist
attack
[06:21] <LindaWS> julee , I say many
[06:21] <Blooming2000_Dad> LindaWS sheer nonsense
[06:21] <LindaWS> this completely shuts down nyc
[06:21] <julee> and world trade starts early
[06:21] <Sharonelle> julee - impossible to tell at this point
[06:21] <go> LindaWS...geez...people have been pissed at the USA for
centuries!
[06:21] <zz> carl..
[06:21] <ShowTime> bin laden
[06:21] <Sharonelle> ShowTime - that was my first thought when I heard
it was two plans - that's no accident
[06:21] <LindaWS> Blooming2000_Dad the usa policies led to this, do
you know that 3 men in a row boat took out the cole? what the heck is wrong
you guys should be nicer to poor people
[06:22] <CarlSwanson> Golly, some WTO protestors have gone high tech....
[06:22] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> big crowd here
[06:22] <LindaWS> yeah arabs have been trashed by america for centuries,
if it is arabs
[06:22] <Zeno> wow. this reminds me of the plane that crashed into
the Emoire state building in the 30s
[06:22] <CarlSwanson> only an idiot would think this was an accident....
jesus
[06:22] <alphabuck> we will have to noriega the perp so we can bring
him back here and execute him
[06:22] <alphabuck> well the mastermind anyway
[06:22] <julee> linda, do you feel secure today
[06:22] <Aurora> Zeno.....I think that was 'bout the end of WWII
[06:22] <shooby> is CNN's site down
[06:22] <ShowTime> it's not an accident CarlSwanson pentagon said
terrorist attack
[06:22] <Twoputt> Ny Airports are closed, Lincoln Tunnel is closed.
[06:22] <alphabuck> shooby just swamped
[06:22] <Zeno> CarlSwanson, only an idiot would say this could not
be an accident
[06:22] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> Aurora!!!!!!!! o/~ o/~ o
[06:22] <ShowTime> terroist my arse, it's an act of war
[06:22] <LindaWS> julee . who can?
[06:22] <alphabuck> there is no way this is an accident
[06:22] <alphabuck> rofl
[06:22] <CarlSwanson> ShowTime, really? Wow... that took a lot of
brain power...
[06:22] <Aurora> ~~~~~ good morning, ThangDrinkingCoffee
[06:22] <Zeno> Aurora I think you are right
[06:23] <SharpEye> This may be the opening rounds of a REAL WAR. Dont
be suprized if we have Nuclear Bombs going off today
[06:23] <go> LindaWS....maybe you would feel more at home with the
arab terrorists
[06:23] <SharpEye> Finincal Targets would be the first in modern warfare.
This may just be the beginning
[06:23] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> bbl
[06:23] <CarlSwanson> ShowTime.... I mean on the part of the pentagon
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[06:23] <Blooming2000_Dad> LindaWS That is simply babbling... I could
take out your whole country using 10% of our military... these things willhappen
anytime you are a real player in the world... Ofcourse Canada wouldn't know
that.
[06:23] <LindaWS> ShowTime who are you going to war with? disgruntled
nuts? they are everywhere on earth
[06:23] <M_Ca> yes we here in the US watch this happening in other
countries daily......why we sponsor this kind of thing in other countries....i
am surprised it has taken so long to start happening here
[06:23] <Twoputt> NYSE delayed opening.... NASDAQ delayed at least
30 minutes.
[06:23] <ShowTime> so much for are missile sheild eh
[06:23] <Zeno> alphabuck why is that? When the plane crashed into
the Empire State building it was an accident.
[06:23] <zz> SharpEye. do you think there will be more?
[06:23] <BigBadWolf> This is no every news channel. Everyone is covering
it.
[06:23] <CarlSwanson> too bad they didn't hit the UN...
[06:23] <SharpEye> zz, I dont know
[06:23] <ShowTime> right BigBadWolf
[06:23] <LindaWS> Blooming2000_Dad , why waste $ on missile defense
it doesnt work, it doenst prevent against lone nuts like McVeigh or other
kooks
[06:23] <go> CarlSwanson....right!
[06:23] <julee> I am not so sure, could be controller fault too, at
any given moment I can see 3 planes in the sky
[06:23] <Zeno> M_Ca. its shwn to be on purpose?
[06:23] <crazylady> dang cant even get me real player working ARGH
[06:24] <zz> cell is overloaded.. cell phones can't get through
[06:24] <alphabuck> zeno....two planes dont fly into the side of a
building thats previously been attacked by terrorists. did you see the footage
at all? the 2nd one steered right into it
[06:24] <julee> and I can go out of my house and drive about 3 minutes
and see it burning
[06:24] <Blooming2000_Dad> SharpEye Is this on streaming video?
[06:24] <crazylady> Twoputt the stock exchange was just evacuation
[06:24] <LindaWS> yes where is the air traffic control report?
[06:24] <Sharonelle> julee - not for the second plane - the building
was already on fire when they crashed into it - they had to have seen it.
[06:24] <Zeno> alphabuck sorry no. I just saw the building on fire.
TWO plane you say?
[06:24] <Aurora> alphabuck.....you bet....that 2nd plane was veering
into the bldg. you're right
[06:24] <ShowTime> i can't even get on cnn website
[06:24] <go> julee...you aren't going to are you??!
[06:24] <LindaWS> both planes aimed directly at the towers, where
is the air traffic control?
[06:24] <alphabuck> zeno..yes apparently 2 hijacked airliners
[06:24] * Twoputt wonders if anyone is fighting the fires or conducting
rescue efforts yet.
[06:24] <julee> no, I don't want to see this
[06:24] <Aurora> Zeno....a 2nd plane hit the other tower live on TV
[06:24] <M_Ca> zeno....well it was 2 planes.....witnessess watched
the planes fly by their buildings.....nothing was aparantly wrong with the
planes......
[06:24] <julee> your right
[06:25] <SharpEye> Say your Prayers
[06:25] <Zeno> alphabuck, then I apologize. two planes would mean
it was on purpose and is an act of war.
[06:25] <CarlSwanson> Well, this is what happens when you bomb asprin
factories and make half-assed attempts on terrorists lives
[06:25] <ShowTime> M_Ca i witnessed it on live video here
[06:25] <Sharonelle> LindaWS - air traffic control doesn't control
planes - it directs traffic.
[06:25] <LindaWS> act of war by whom? which country
[06:25] <zz> Twoputt They should get some forest fire planes up there
to dump foam
[06:25] <ShowTime> http://news.bbc.co.uk/
[06:25] <alphabuck> zeno...yep. the problem is figuring out who we
declare war on
[06:25] <Blooming2000_Dad> LindaWS First it does work. and no nothing
will stop individuals... but then even in the worst case only 168 were killed...
One nuke missle would kill millions... this is peanuts.
[06:25] <CarlSwanson> Estimated Death Toll..... 2K
[06:25] <ShowTime> i was able to get into bbc, it's thier top story
[06:25] <Anders> <-- can't get on nbc, cnn or reuter4s
[06:25] <LindaWS> Sharonelle , air traffic control knows where everything
in the air is. and would reported this, nothing moves in the sky without
tracking
[06:25] <Aurora> Guy on A BCnews thinks the 2nd plane might be an
Airbus
[06:25] <zz> Anders overload
[06:26] <ShowTime> 737 Aurora , nbc said
[06:26] <Twoputt> They didn't have time to evacuate the second building.....
less than than 20 minutes after the first crash.
[06:26] <willow> SharpEye, what's the story???
[06:26] <julee> not if air traffic is down
[06:26] <KenBz> this is what happens when you know who is doing it,
and you pretend that you can negotiate with them. This is what happens when
you ignore every sign, and every pronouncement, and every previous act by
them. LEARN something about this, and learn what Israel lives with every
day. Every day
[06:26] <LindaWS> 737 + 727, not dinky aircraft
[06:26] <CarlSwanson> Maybe FEDEX was still working out it's "Before
9 AM" delivery deal..................
[06:26] <Anders> LindaWS, noone can order a shootdown over newyork.
think of all the wreckage.
[06:26] <Sharonelle> LindaWS -yeah, but there's nothing they could
DO about it
[06:26] <shooby> well, look on the bright side, now we wont waste
money on a missle defense system
[06:26] <ShowTime> they were too busy evactuating the first building
[06:26] <SharpEye> willow, I would guess there will be Nuclear Bombs
going off before nightfall
[06:26] <Anders> there was nbothing they could do, except sit and
watch the plane crash.
[06:26] <ShowTime> lol shooby
[06:26] <LindaWS> Sharonelle yeah.. true enough.. but surely they
would tell the nation what they saw from the control tower
[06:26] <LindaWS> these aircraft are not annonymous
[06:26] <ShowTime> the video is on bbc site
[06:26] <Zeno> shooby, which heathens will be blamed you think?
[06:26] <ShowTime> http://news.bbc.co.uk/
[06:26] <Blooming2000_Dad> KenBz lol... yea ... right...
[06:27] <crazylady> ROFL cant even get CNN on real player hehehe
[06:27] <ShowTime> crazylady do bbc
[06:27] <LindaWS> Zeno heathens? what a silly thing to suggest
[06:27] <CarlSwanson> 4 Time to buy stock in DuPont.......
[06:27] <KenBz> you think this is funny Blooming. You're on ignore
as of now, you moron
[06:27] <ShowTime> i couldn't get on cnn either
[06:27] <alphabuck> sharp....who would we possibly nuke?
[06:27] <Zeno> LindaWS. it was a joke
[06:27] <KenBz> gone, and not missed
[06:27] <SharpEye> alphabuck, nout us nuking anyone, someone Nuking
US
[06:27] <crazylady> shooby I cant get ANYTHING to come up with my
browsers
[06:27] <LindaWS> KenBz dont call Blooming2000_Dad a moron, he has
as much right to speak as you do
[06:27] <LindaWS> Zeno , phew, comedy doesnt seem fit at the moment
[06:27] <shooby> crazylady me either
[06:27] <crazylady> sh I cant get ANYTHING to come up with my browsers
[06:27] <KenBz> Go to hell Linda. This isn't chat room BS today.
[06:27] <zz> LindaWS this is not a time for jokes.. sorry I agree
with KenBz
[06:28] <ShowTime> crazylady close your browser, clear your cache,
and last resort reboot and try bbc
[06:28] <Zeno> LindaWS humour is a defense mechanism at this point
[06:28] <WindyCity> man, they're thinking about evacuating towers
in Chicago for cry I.
[06:28] <CarlSwanson> Anders, actually, a plane crashed into the Empire
State Building... and there was a mid air collision over New York as well
[06:28] <crazylady> showtime I cant get ANYTHING to come up with my
browsers
[06:28] <Blooming2000_Dad> KenBz Or maybe this is what you get when
you blindly support a bunch of Jewish racists forcing apartheid. No I think
you are funny and a little ignoprant on this subject.
[06:28] <LindaWS> KenBz you need to go elsewhere your nastiness is
inappropriate
[06:28] <alphabuck> there will be some extra green space in NYC. dont
forsee them rebuilding that thing again
[06:28] * zz knows people are burning to death as we chat.. how can we be
so detached..
[06:28] <ShowTime> oh alphabuck they will rebuild it
[06:28] <ShowTime> and we will pay for it!
[06:28] <shooby> zz: i hope the building was empty
[06:28] <Anders> CarlSwanson, whoaw. din't know that. but shooting
down a plane. over newyork. wouldnt that be worse. crashing donw on the
streets......
[06:28] <Zeno> zz. thousands die every minute on this planet, yet
you joke.
[06:28] <zz> shooby it wasn't
[06:28] <willow> hey thang
[06:29] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> hey willow!!!!!
[06:29] <LindaWS> Anders true, emerg response couldnt do much
[06:29] <ShowTime> Anders no one could expect this worst case scenerio
[06:29] <julee> port authority has closed all bridges and tunnels
to nyc
[06:29] * crazylady reminds the channel NO PERSONAL INSULTS
[06:29] <Anders> ShowTime, true. it's truly sick
[06:29] <CarlSwanson> 4 LOL! Showtime is complaining about who is
going to PAY for this...
[06:29] <LindaWS> julee the whole city must be closed
[06:29] <zz> Zeno..no joke, zeno.. no joke..
[06:29] <ShowTime> CarlSwanson where do you see me complaining?
[06:29] <LindaWS> CarlSwanson , come on now, this is a horrible situation
for the people of ny
[06:29] <ShowTime> i answered alphabuck who thinks this won't be rebuilt
[06:29] <KenBz> Sick, hateful human garbage
[06:29] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> so...what's up (or down) at the WTC?
[06:29] <QuidProQu> CarlSwanson, and you're commenting that it should
have been the UN building
[06:30] <CarlSwanson> LindaWS, it is... and it takes a real sick person
to start complaining who is going to pay for this
[06:30] <zz> bush to speak
[06:30] <BigBadWolf> Bush is on
[06:30] <willow> Pres Shrub is gonna speak, shhhhhh
[06:30] <Blooming2000_Dad> Yes KenBz the Israelis are exactly that.
[06:30] <crazylady> willow LOL
[06:30] <LindaWS> CarlSwanson , be cool, this is so horrible
[06:30] <ShowTime> QuidProQu this is a sickening comment from CarlSwanson
but tlb high fived him on it
[06:30] <ShowTime> here's bush
[06:30] <ShowTime> he was interruppted reading 'the hungry caterpillar'
[06:30] <KenBz> LEARN something. Learn what Israel lives with day
by day. Dead innocent people whose only crime was going to work this morning
- like women and children eating at a pizza restaurant, shopping in a market
or going to school. LEARN
[06:30] <LindaWS> Blooming2000_Dad I think the usa shoulda stayed
at the racism conference and not run away from global problems
[06:30] <Sharonelle> Bush was supposed to kick off his education initiative
again
[06:30] <Sharonelle> That's why he's at a school.
[06:31] <shooby> so, whats the price of tyranny?
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[06:31] <ShowTime> lol Sharonelle ,yes, kids in the background
[06:31] <CarlSwanson> Better UN Deletents than people working for
a living
[06:31] <go> let's pray
[06:31] <Blooming2000_Dad> LindaWS I think the conference should not
have singled out one example of racisim.. they should have called all to
the carpet.
[06:31] <CarlSwanson> "Heads will roll"
[06:31] *** Quits: QuidProQu (QUIT: User exited )
[06:31] *** Quits: Comet (Connection reset by peer )
[06:31] <ShowTime> that's true Blooming2000_Dad but walking away is
not good at all
[06:31] <LindaWS> Blooming2000_Dad sure, but running away doesnt help
or the usa siding with one nation, while there are many problems
[06:32] <LindaWS> AMERICAN AIRLINES 767 FROM BOSTON HIJACKED
[06:32] <ShowTime> CarlSwanson we will never find bin ladin
[06:32] <CarlSwanson> I hope our support of Israel is worth this.....
[06:32] <Anders> LindaWS, what?
[06:32] <LindaWS> CBC REPORTS www.cbc.ca/
[06:32] <shooby> wow, apparently a very organized plan at work here
[06:32] <ShowTime> you think CarlSwanson
[06:32] <LindaWS> -AMERICAN AIRLINES 767 FROM BOSTON HIJACKED-
[06:32] <Anders> LindaWS, I wonder where they are planniung to crash.
[06:32] <Blooming2000_Dad> LindaWS and ShowTime This is true.. but
in any situation like this politics will play a part.
[06:32] <LindaWS> commuter flight from Boston hijacked and this is
what happened
[06:32] <SharpEye> 12This may be the opening rounds of a REAL WAR.
Dont be suprized if we have Nuclear Bombs going off today
[06:32] <KenBz> Watch people being incinerated for nothing other than
showing up at work today, and learn what terror is. And what a country that's
subjected to it every day lives with.
[06:32] <Anders> this is, a big terrorist attack on US.
[06:32] <SharpEye> 12Finincal Targets would be the first in modern
warfare. This may just be the beginning
[06:32] <ShowTime> yes Anders they planned to crash into the new trade
center
[06:32] <M_Ca> let's see....the racism conference.....the biochem
treaty......the abm treaty.....missile defense........
[06:33] <katrina`> idiot is all buddy buddy with terrorists
[06:33] <LindaWS> one plane is this one -AMERICAN AIRLINES 767 FROM
BOSTON HIJACKED-
[06:33] <BigBadWolf> Bush sounded shaken.
[06:33] <crazylady> BOston to LA plane hijacked
[06:33] <KenBz> sharpeye - I can live without your glee at the prospect
of a world war. how about stuffing it just this once
[06:33] <CarlSwanson> ShowTime, yeah. I do... I believee our being
targets of Arab terrorists is directly related Israel
[06:33] <ShowTime> M_Ca think some country might be pissed off at
US........naw
[06:33] <M_Ca> New York is NOW a no fly zone
[06:33] <ShowTime> no doubt CarlSwanson
[06:33] <Anders> what is bush saying
[06:33] <katrina`> BigBadWolf idiot is an idiot
[06:33] <WindyCity> Carl-it's a bit early to be blaming this on Arabs.
No offense.
[06:33] <Pame> Anders.....he prayed.....
[06:33] <ShowTime> correct WindyCity !
[06:33] <CarlSwanson> it would be a bad time to be a goat herder in
Afghanistan
[06:33] <LindaWS> CarlSwanson , I do too, american takes oil from
arabs and gives nukes to israelis, this is not a pretty picture
[06:33] <Sharonelle> Hiya, Wender LTNS!!
[06:33] <LindaWS> Wender hey
[06:34] <ShowTime> WindyCity but we almost expect something from arabs
for supporting israel
[06:34] <WindyCity> OKC was blamed on the 'Arab' menace at first too.
[06:34] <katrina`> LindaWS we are hyprocrites
[06:34] <KenBz> Windy - tell me now, before we know for sure -- will
you in any way be surprised if it is?
[06:34] <LindaWS> WindyCity yes,...
[06:34] <Sharonelle> WindyCity - that's right
[06:34] <WindyCity> that turned out to be wrong.
[06:34] <ShowTime> right WindyCity , but we go to someone we pissed
off first
[06:34] <CarlSwanson> WindyCity, they seem to be the ones with the
motive and with the means to do this...
[06:34] <SharpEye> M_Ca, no doubt. I would not be suprised to see
Patriot Missle moved in to protect other cities
[06:34] <LindaWS> why was the hijacking not reported
[06:34] <Wender> hey shooby, LindaWS!!!
[06:34] <Wender> oops
[06:34] <Wender> hey Sharonelle!!!! :)
[06:34] <katrina`> LindaWS thats what i was wondering
[06:34] <BigBadWolf> katrina, leave the old dem vs. republican stuff
at the door for once. This is not a good day for anyone. :-(
[06:34] <ShowTime> it was reported LindaWS hour ago
[06:34] <shooby> hi wender
[06:34] <LindaWS> the hijacker would need to be a pilot, no civil
pilot would commit this act
[06:34] <Aurora> ~~~~ Yaakov
[06:34] <katrina`> LindaWS the plane was high jacked from boston
[06:34] <M_Ca> geeez, and i only went to bed 45 minutes ago......sheeesh
it's gonna be a long day
[06:34] <CarlSwanson> well, I kinda doubt this was done by the Starbucks
Protestors
[06:34] <Wender> hey Yaakov!!!
[06:34] <LindaWS> CarlSwanson yeah
[06:34] <Wender> What a sad day!
[06:34] * zz informs.. all.. our CIA spent 2.5 billion arming and training
terrorists in Afghanistan. That was your money.. the previous attack on
WTC included some from those camps
[06:34] <Twoputt> We have no idea at this time who this is... heck,
it could be a couple of angry Gore supporters.
[06:34] <katrina`> BigBadWolf the boy is an idiot
[06:35] <LindaWS> Wender it's so terrible
[06:35] <LindaWS> zz correct
[06:35] <Aurora> Twoputt :-((
[06:35] <ShowTime> WindyCity we have bin ladin on the most wanted
FBI list for a reason
[06:35] <CarlSwanson> katrina`, give it a rest...
[06:35] <katrina`> yes, they have already blamed clinton
[06:35] <WindyCity> KenBz-I'm just saying, we've been down this road
before when Arabs got blamed for terrorist attacks before all the facts
were in. And law-abiding Arab American folks took it on the chin for it.
I just think we shouldn't be blaming this on a particular group.
[06:35] <WindyCity> yet
[06:35] <M_Ca> oh man, i was hoping there was only a pilot on those
planes....
[06:35] <shooby> Top 10 Good things about this tragedy
[06:35] <Radio_Flyer> Air traffic over the city suspended.
[06:35] <LindaWS> perhaps all that money spend defoliating poor columbia
coulda been spent helping the poor around the world achieve a 1st world
standard of leaving
[06:35] <katrina`> CarlSwanson bull crap, idiot is all buddy buddy
with terrorists
[06:35] * zz wonders when the citizens will decide to close the CIA.. and
stop these outrages.
[06:35] <LindaWS> living
[06:35] <KenBz> Windy - you didn't answer my question.
[06:35] <shooby> 10 ) no more Condit news for awhlle
[06:35] <SharpEye> 12These Fires may burn for SEVERAL Days
[06:35] <Spammi> Morning, folks.
[06:35] <BigBadWolf> katrina, I have nothing left to say to you.
[06:35] <CarlSwanson> katrina`, give it a rest.
[06:35] <Wender> hey Spammi!!!
[06:35] <ShowTime> lol shooby
[06:36] <Spammi> shooby, you said the "C" word!!! BAN! BTW,
hi.
[06:36] <katrina`> now the buildings are burning
[06:36] <Spammi> Hey, wEnder!
[06:36] <shooby> 9) sales on airline fare expected
[06:36] <zz> shooby.. taint funny.. can it.
[06:36] <WindyCity> KenBz-refresh my memory.
[06:36] <katrina`> ya well losts blame idiot for the ship that was
hit in oct to
[06:36] <shooby> zz, we need humor
[06:36] <BigBadWolf> Spammi, you watching the news?
[06:36] <Blooming2000_Dad> LindaWS What is sad is that if this is
linked to Palestine they will have set their efforts back beyond repair...
but then when you drive a people to desparation this is what happens.
[06:36] <ShowTime> it is funny zz, lol
[06:36] <Anders> does CIA really have any reason to be around. Isn't
it enough with NSA and the army
[06:36] <crazylady> can anyone get into any of the new sites??
[06:36] <CarlSwanson> 4 CNN Headlines "News" is of course
reporting about Condit.....
[06:36] <Spammi> BigBadWolf, I'm barely awake.
[06:36] <Aurora> shooby......that is inappropriate just now, IMHO.....
[06:36] <KenBz> sharpeye - have you ever thought about seeking help?
Terrorism and tragedy seem to be a particular source of enjoyment, even
glee for you. If there was any day that we can do without it, this is the
day. Why don't you just shut the hell up
[06:36] <zz> shooby people are burning to death.. you laugh..
[06:36] <Spammi> What happened?
[06:36] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> how many planes crashed into the building?
[06:36] <Spammi> Oh no!
[06:36] <crazylady> ThangDrinkingCoffee 2
[06:36] <Twoputt> I find it surprising that the buildings don't look
to be in danger of collapsing or toppling... yet.
[06:36] <SharpEye> KenBz, im just reporting the events
[06:37] <ShowTime> two ThangDrinkingCoffee
[06:37] <shooby> zz : well, it helps us to deal with this
[06:37] <Radio_Flyer> Only rescue and military/police aircraft allowed
to use air space over the city. Airports not accepting or allowing departures.
Talk about adding to the existing problems, Bush is going back to the White
House.
[06:37] <Comet> hi riprap
[06:37] <ShowTime> one in each building
[06:37] <Sharonelle> Hi, riprap!
[06:37] <Aurora> Spammi.....turn on the TV 2 different planes crashed
into the 2 World Trade Center Bldgs in NYCity
[06:37] <BigBadWolf> Very bad stuff, Spammi
[06:37] <Spammi> WHAT HAPPENED?????
[06:37] <BigBadWolf> :-(
[06:37] <Wender> hey riprap and FuzzyToes!!!
[06:37] <smirks> terorist act
[06:37] <Blooming2000_Dad> KenBz If you dislaike everyone expressing
their view go somewhere else
[06:37] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> do you know what type?
[06:37] <Aurora> Spammi.....turn on the TV 2 different planes crashed
into the 2 World Trade Center Bldgs in NYCity
[06:37] <Sharonelle> Spam - turn on the TV!!!
[06:37] <Spammi> Oh brother!
[06:37] <PixyStix> Windy...Indeed. Following the Atlanta incident,
first it was Arabs...then Richard Jewel... salivating for scapegoats.
[06:37] <Spammi> Ok, ok. Will do.
[06:37] <CarlSwanson> 4 We used to have a chatter in here who was
injured in the first attack on the WTO,,, Sparky
[06:37] <ShowTime> lol Radio_Flyer
[06:37] <KenBz> you're a sick moron who gets off on acts of terrorism
as if it's a video game. Just shut up. Do everyone on BOTH sides of the
political aisle a favor
[06:37] <SharpEye> 12I would not be suprised to see Patriot Missle
system moved in to protect other cities from similar attacks
[06:37] <Laura> Spammi, the 2nd plane was shown live on national news
[06:37] <shooby> aurora: ok, I defer to your judgement
[06:37] <Spammi> Oh, good grief! HOW HORRIBLE!
[06:37] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> Aurora: do they say what type of plane?
[06:37] <Twoputt> AA 767 from Boston.
[06:37] <Anders> hmm, the world trade center. i that the head quarter
for teh WTO?
[06:38] <ShowTime> yes Spammi , i saw it on NBC
[06:38] <WindyCity> Pixy-OKC got blamed on 'Arabs' too. That's why
I'm saying, it's a bad idea to willy nilly blame this on a particular ethnic
group.
[06:38] <Anders> the
[06:38] <Comet> hi ThangDrinkingCoffee
[06:38] <ShowTime> horrific
[06:38] <Spammi> ShowTime, unreal!
[06:38] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> hi Comet!
[06:38] <Aurora> Spammi.....amazingly horriffic pictures on the tv
screen
[06:38] <Radio_Flyer> KenBz's being insulting. Wake up, you ops. Don't
just sit there, tell that jackass to stop it at once. :)
[06:38] <go> wb ThangDrinkingCoffee
[06:38] <zz> oh man... guy saying people started jumping from the
roof.. either burn to death or jump
[06:38] <Sharonelle> WindyCity - right, we have no idea yet.
[06:38] <Spammi> Aurora, same here...I'm in shock.
[06:38] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> thanks go!
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[06:38] <SharpEye> Does anyone know if the first ot the second plane
was the one that way hijacked ? maybe both were ?
[06:38] * zz says oh man... guy saying people started jumping from the roof..
either burn to death or jump
[06:38] <Comet> go i thought i told u to go
[06:38] <Anders> <--- is going offline a bit, to watch the news.....
se ya
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[06:38] <CarlSwanson> 4 It was the Clinton White House who, as soon
as OKC took place, was out saying "We have witnesses who saw "middle
eastern looking" men leaving the scence
[06:38] <LindaWS> cbc are about to show a report from Abu Dabi
[06:38] <SharpEye> 12Does anyone know if the first or the second plane
was the one that was hijacked ? maybe both were ?
[06:38] <go> Comet....gee...I must have missed your command!
[06:38] <KenBz> Watch people being incinerated for nothing other than
showing up at work today, and learn what terror is. And what a country that's
subjected to it every day lives with. Learn something from this tragedy
[06:39] <ShowTime> WindyCity , Sharonelle , PixyStix , I would suspect
an arab terrorist immediatly, we are financing israel to kill palestanians,
they have the motive
[06:39] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> this is very scary!
[06:39] <LindaWS> 767 hijacked in boston on route to ny, 1st crash
[06:39] <willow> SharpEye, both had to be hijacked
[06:39] <Comet> hehehe
[06:39] * shooby lets all try to get a grip
[06:39] <CarlSwanson> 2 Because of course we had recieved threats
by arab terrorists
[06:39] <Twoputt> Subways are closed....
[06:39] <ShowTime> right willow , BOTH were hijacked
[06:39] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> you get up in the morning, go to work
and never know what might hit you
[06:39] <SharpEye> Lincoln Tunner closed
[06:39] <PixyStix> ShowTime...I suspect no one until there's some
evidence.
[06:39] <LindaWS> PixyStix, sad day hello
[06:39] <SharpEye> ANOTHER ATTACK !!!!!!!
[06:39] * Zeno believes the US Law enforcement people will decide this was
the work of a lone person. No conspiracy, not foregn nation invilved.
[06:39] <WindyCity> Yeah, we got threats from Asian terrorist groups
over the weekend too ya know.
[06:39] <Radio_Flyer> KenBz, I'm willing to be you're one of them
guys that have carpenter's crack when you sit.
[06:39] <Wender> KenBz, why don't you wait a few minutes before trying
to score some political points
[06:39] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> hi xstanx!
[06:39] <LindaWS> NEW YORK IS COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN
[06:39] <ShowTime> PixyStix you're too good:)
[06:39] <Laura> Here's a picture of plane #2> http://www.dapillow.com/wtc2.jpg
[06:39] <katrina`> pentogon explosion
[06:39] <Sharonelle> ShowTime - yeah, so would I - but it's too early
to say - we don't have any idea.
[06:39] * smirks the first reports from OKC from witnesses there said it
was "2 arab looking men in a brown pick-up truck heading, at as high
rate of speed, towards Dallas"...
[06:40] <SharpEye> oh, sorry, I misread a report,
[06:40] <zz> manhattan in a lockdown
[06:40] <LindaWS> 3rd plane on way to building
[06:40] <ShowTime> Sharonelle absolutely, i'm not ready to convict
anyone
[06:40] <KenBz> the political posturing morons don't know when it's
time to stop. What unbelievably sick people
[06:40] <Radio_Flyer> You know. Plumber's pleat.
[06:40] <alphabuck> an explosion at the pentagon
[06:40] <SharpEye> LindaWS, Source ?
[06:40] <CarlSwanson> 2 This act is going to lead to the death of
thousands of innocent Arabs
[06:40] <ShowTime> really LindaWS ?
[06:40] <LindaWS> cbc are reporting another plane on the way
[06:40] <PixyStix> ShowTime...have seen too many people fall victim
to scapegoating. :-)
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[06:40] <Laura> LindaWS, are you serious?
[06:40] <Comet> hi juleee
[06:40] <Zeno> Second plane was an Amaerican Airlines 767 from Boston
[06:40] <LindaWS> SharpEye www.cbc.ca/
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[06:40] <ShowTime> that would should be shot down
[06:40] <SharpEye> ok
[06:40] <CarlSwanson> Laura, hope Sparky is ok...
[06:40] <LindaWS> nyers need to stay at home
[06:40] <LindaWS> more attacks expected
[06:40] <WindyCity> All military forces in Asia were put on high alert
just this weekend in case you missed it. This could just as easily be blamed
on 'Asians' as quickly as people are now jumping to the conclusion that
this has to be 'Arabs'.
[06:40] <Laura> Carl, Sparky's in OH, Silky used to work in WTC
[06:40] <Twoputt> All river crossings are closed.
[06:40] <LindaWS> cbc is reporting this
[06:40] <SharpEye> 12This may be the opening rounds of a REAL WAR.
Dont be suprized if we have Nuclear Bombs going off today <---
[06:40] <Comet> wb rip-rap
[06:40] <alphabuck> messybc washington reporter says there was an
explosion at the pentagon
[06:40] <juleee> and I have to go to the dentist
[06:40] * CarlSwanson is amazed the buildings did not go down considering
the force of the impact
[06:41] <Spammi> This is a horror show.
[06:41] <Twoputt> Carl... I agree
[06:41] <LindaWS> CarlSwanson me too, I sort of expected that
[06:41] <Spammi> alpha, just heard that.
[06:41] <Sharonelle> julee - really bad timing for that appointment
<>
[06:41] <juleee> carl, too big
[06:41] <Zeno> Sharonelle, who do YOU think will be the first to set
them off? the US or Israel?
[06:41] <LindaWS> CarlSwanson , perhaps they re earthquake proof
[06:41] <Sharonelle> julee - I have an appt at the hairdressers today
too <>
[06:41] <Radio_Flyer> Oh, SharpEye, you'd just love a "real war",
wouldn't you? You'd be first to enlist for active combat duty.
[06:41] <KenBz> Learn something from this, for once. Learn what real
terror is. It's not a tv show, it's not some country far away. This is quite
possibly thousands of innocents dead. For doing nothing other than going
to work today. like women and children in a pizza parlor or teenagers dancing
at a disco. Just this once. Learn
[06:41] <ShowTime> really alphabuck ?
[06:41] <juleee> I should call her, I couldn't do any work today
[06:41] <CarlSwanson> last time I dis union ironworkers
[06:41] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> Carl: good architects and engineers,
I say!
[06:41] <Blooming2000_Dad> KenBz You are the political moron.. learn
something from this... you can't keep treating people like animals and expect
to lay there like dogs... they will bite you in the butt.
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[06:41] <BigBadWolf> Manhattan is shut down! Completely, in a lock
down!
[06:41] <LindaWS> Blooming2000_Dad you tell him!
[06:41] <katrina`> fire at the pentagon
[06:41] <zz> KenBz.. okay.. we got it.
[06:42] <Zeno> KenBz and learn that missle defense shields cannot
work. Lesson to the wise eh?
[06:42] <shooby> 4 hey, lets not eat each other
[06:42] <alphabuck> showtime..yea he says the felt a shudder and saw
the construction workers fleeing the building hes checking
[06:42] <ShowTime> war on the US
[06:42] <juleee> plane was hijacked from Boston, 1 st plane
[06:42] <Twoputt> Pentagon attacked!
[06:42] <CarlSwanson> Good thing they hit so high up on the towers,
if they had hit closer to the ground thousands more would have been killed
[06:42] <ShowTime> NBC has the video of pentagon on fire
[06:42] * ThangDrinkingCoffee puts some ketchup and mayo on shooby
[06:42] <LindaWS> I am so sorry for the people of ny, how sad
[06:42] <Aurora> an explosion at the Pentagon ???
[06:42] <SharpEye> Well, if another plane is headed toward NYC, the
AF will have to shoot it down
[06:42] <KenBz> Now, if this turns out to be an Islamic fundamentalist
attack from some group that proudly takes responsibility - which is what
Israel gets EVERY TIME this happens there, think about what you want to
be done about it. And then think about what you would do if it happened
every day where you lived
[06:42] <rip-rap> how long ago did all of this styart ?
[06:42] <alphabuck> confirmed bomb blew up at pentagon heliport
[06:42] <ShowTime> KenBz i'd move
[06:42] <SharpEye> BOMB AT Heloport at Pentagon
[06:42] <zz> Aurora.. who is saying that?
[06:42] <LindaWS> rip-rap about an hour ago
[06:42] <CarlSwanson> rip-rap. 9 AM eastern
[06:42] <Sharonelle> rip-rap - not too long - coupla hours mebbe
[06:43] <alphabuck> messybc was ahead of the curve on that one
[06:43] <zz> white house being evacuated.
[06:43] <CarlSwanson> this all took place only 43 minutes ago
[06:43] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> Sharpeye: when?
[06:43] <juleee> oh god
[06:43] <Radio_Flyer> Wow. This is enough to make the Bush supporters
almost forget all about Clinton's penis.
[06:43] <Aurora> zz live coverage on N BC some sort of explosion /fire
at or near the Pentagon
[06:43] <ShowTime> heh alphabuck , but 2 minutes
[06:43] <Zeno> OHMIGAWD the Pentagon too?
[06:43] <LindaWS> alphabuck so was abc as ShowTime reported
[06:43] <Sharonelle> Significan blast at the pentagon
[06:43] <ShowTime> roflmao Radio_Flyer
[06:43] <alphabuck> showtime..lol yep
[06:43] <SharpEye> ThangDrinkingCoffee, just few minutes ago
[06:43] * Twoputt suggests that if anyone is in a large building or major
city... go home.
[06:43] <Zeno> 4 This is WAR!
[06:43] <rip-rap> maybe they will listen to sharpeye next time and
all of this can be avoided
[06:43] <LindaWS> somebody hit the pentagon? that would make sense
[06:43] <Wender> KenBz, maybe Israel should stop building settlement
- maybe they shoudl stop firing rocket from their helicopters and fighter-planes
[06:43] <juleee> what is next
[06:43] <zz> Zeno.. yep
[06:43] <ShowTime> Radio_Flyer maybe if bush got what clinton got,
he'd get along better with the rest of the world
[06:43] <SharpEye> Zeno, PEARL HARBOR
[06:43] <Nancy> Something has also happened in Washington DC
[06:43] <willow> riprap, shhhhhhh
[06:43] <Zeno> SharpEye, worse than Pearl Harbor
[06:43] <M_Ca> fire at the pentagon
[06:43] <KenBz> Radio flyer - is it possible that you can stow the
cute political posturing today, as you watch people being incinerated before
your eyes. How sick do you have to be to do this
[06:43] <Radio_Flyer> Uh oh. The Pentagon's on fire.
[06:43] <LindaWS> Wender and america shoulda stayed at the conference
on racism
[06:43] <BigBadWolf> White House is being evacuated, and the Pentagon
as well.
[06:43] <alphabuck> i expect my government to pay no attention to
any government or border in pursuing these folks
[06:43] <M_Ca> pentagon has been attacked
[06:44] <SharpEye> bbl
[06:44] <Yaakov> Zeno: no, it is "political action", completely
justified after all isn't it?
[06:44] <go> report of another aircraft down on the interstate
[06:44] <LindaWS> Wender I sent 2 emails to the pmo on that topic
[06:44] <CarlSwanson> well, the Pentagon is under attack... there
goes the recession
[06:44] <katrina`> the white house is being evacuated
[06:44] <LindaWS> white house is being evacutated now
[06:44] <juleee> go, where
[06:44] <LindaWS> geez america
[06:44] <PixyStix> alphabuck...where did you hear confirmed bomb at
Pentagon?
[06:44] <Sharonelle> Wender - right - Israelis can't simply complain
about terrorist acts - they have to act to solve the underlying problem.
[06:44] <go> juleee....near NY...I think
[06:44] <Wender> KenBz, the behaviour of the US is hardly analogous
to that of Israel
[06:44] <katrina`> pentagon being evacuated
[06:44] * CarlSwanson would hate to be one of the men on the roof of the
White House, watching everyone else being evacuated
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[06:44] <alphabuck> pixy...live video on messybc
[06:44] <Radio_Flyer> shooby, I don't mind being reprimanded, but
at least try to impress me with the typing, too. Okey doke? :)
[06:44] <zz> PixyStix its on nbc
[06:44] <ShowTime> exactly Sharonelle
[06:44] <Yaakov> Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine
has claimed this.
[06:44] <LindaWS> pentagon is being evacuate, large fire in pentagon,
www.cbc.ca/
[06:44] <PixyStix> Got it...nevermind
[06:44] <ShowTime> lol CarlSwanson
[06:44] <Zeno> Yaakov. nope
[06:44] <KenBz> Yaakov - where did you hear that?
[06:44] <Yaakov> Bryant Gumble
[06:44] <ShowTime> plane crashed into the pentagon is the rumor
[06:45] <zz> Yaakov.. oh geez
[06:45] <zz> ShowTime no.. its on nb
[06:45] <ShowTime> really Yaakov ?
[06:45] <zz> ShowTime no.. its on nbc
[06:45] <alphabuck> i dunno if i would get on air force one if i was
gw
[06:45] <katrina`> if our national security people were worried about
something other than that missle crap
[06:45] <Zeno> Yaakov I understand that Israel is claimng responsibility
[06:45] <Nancy> Certainly is an enormous fire at the Pentagon
[06:45] <shooby> hehe Radio-b
[06:45] <Yaakov> ShowTime: Yes, really.
[06:45] <katrina`> ShowTime no, they said theres a fire at the pentagon
[06:45] <ShowTime> zz NBC said 'possibly' it was not confirmed
[06:45] <willow> huge plume of smoke coming out of the pentagon
[06:45] <alphabuck> white house has been evacutate
[06:45] <Zeno> Is the White House next?
[06:45] <alphabuck> evacuated
[06:45] <katrina`> theres a fire in a mall in DC
[06:45] <katrina`> Zeno yes
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[06:45] <CarlSwanson> Air Force One is going to have an armed, edgy
escort flying alongside.... wo be the cessna who gets' too close
[06:45] <zz> ShowTime I'm watching the smoke.. billowing from the
Pentagon
[06:45] <LindaWS> major fire at pentagon, white house evacuated
[06:45] <ShowTime> Yaakov we should stay out of the mideast war
[06:45] <Zeno> CarlSwanson true
[06:45] <Twoputt> White House is being evacuated.
[06:46] <BigBadWolf> This is very scary
[06:46] <LindaWS> CarlSwanson , perhaps he should take the train to
texas
[06:46] <katrina`> explosion in the dc area
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[06:46] * LindaWS takes the bus
[06:46] <ShowTime> me too zz, i heard what you heard, they said 'possibly
a plane' i guess if a news show saysit we drop the possibly
[06:46] <Zeno> Yaakov, when the US took one side in the Israeli war,
apprently this is the result
[06:46] <CarlSwanson> 4 Can anyone think of a significant event that
took place on this date??
[06:46] <LindaWS> Zeno , the usa should never have walked away from
the racism conference
[06:46] * smirks is NOT happy right now
[06:46] <zz> nervous reporter at white house is hearing aircraft and
really panicing.. No wonder
[06:46] <go_> on FNC....plane crashes into the pentagon
[06:46] <Zeno> CarlSwanson 9/11/1
[06:46] <LindaWS> CarlSwanson hmmm sept 11, nopes
[06:46] <zz> CarlSwanson tell us
[06:47] <KenBz> Yaakov - Now you know just how deeply the hatred of
Israel - and more than likely of your religious beliefs - runs in this room.
[06:47] <ShowTime> think on the positive side maybe US/UN will resolve
the mideast fighting
[06:47] <Twoputt> Capitol building evacuated.
[06:47] <willow> CarlSwanson, that is what i was thinking...anniversary
of any sort???
[06:47] <CarlSwanson> zz, I have no idea... I wonder if there was
something that took place on this date
[06:47] <Laura> I can't think of anything
[06:47] <rip-rap> tell me I am dreaming
[06:47] <shooby> showtime : more likely inflame both sides
[06:47] <Zeno> 12 9/11/1 A Day Where we lay our friends to rest.
[06:47] <zz> CarlSwanson well,,, we have it today
[06:47] <Pame> riprap, I wish we were.......
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[06:47] * Zeno is shaking
[06:47] <CarlSwanson> 4 The WTC is going to burn for weeks, there
is no way to get water up there to put this out
[06:47] <Twoputt> Bodies are falling from the buildings now..... They
are falling and leaping.
[06:47] <ShowTime> no jerry springer on nbc this morning, another
good news
[06:47] <KenBz> This is going to be blamed by the sick haters in here
not on the people who did it, it will be blamed on the people who are victims
of it.
[06:47] <go_> Is today a special day in the arab world????? You know
how they like dates
[06:48] <zz> carl.. why not forest fire planes..
[06:48] <smirks> PLANE CRASHED INTO THE PENTAGON..EYE WITNESS
[06:48] <CarlSwanson> this is un-freaking real.
[06:48] <smirks> HIGHEST STATE OF ALERT IN dc
[06:48] <smirks> NOT A JOKE
[06:48] <BigBadWolf> We are a nation under siege. I am afraid.
[06:48] <katrina`> dang, my mother in law is in dc
[06:48] <KenBz> Does anyone in their right mind now think we're safe
in this world?
[06:48] <willow> go_, you are generalizing....OK city was an anniversary
[06:48] <katrina`> so is my sister in law
[06:48] <Pame> OK....what's city next?.....Chicago?......Atlanta?......LA?
[06:48] <ShowTime> smirks , be careful there
[06:48] <Spammi> Pame, isn't this scary?
[06:48] <Zeno> Twoputt no way out
[06:48] <Twoputt> Wall Street Journal reports that in the last 5 minutes
at least 7 people have leapt from the North tower.
[06:48] <Pame> Its so quiet here in Atlanta....
[06:48] <CarlSwanson> I am not afraid, I am angry... woe be the little
goat herder who thought this crap up.
[06:48] <ShowTime> LA is on the coast Pame
[06:49] <smirks> ShowTime .. YESH
[06:49] <Nancy> what a time for a dufus president - no one has any
idea what he will do
[06:49] <ShowTime> Pame move to detroit, no one cares about us:)
[06:49] <smirks> yeah
[06:49] <Pame> Show, yes.....
[06:49] <Pame> AWWWWW Show.....
[06:49] <katrina`> ShowTime lol
[06:49] <Zeno> KenBz. no Say let's fight MORE on the War on Drugs.
It is soooo important
[06:49] <CarlSwanson> Twoputt, fly for 15 seconds or burn to death...
call me tweetie
[06:49] <Twoputt> White House has receive3d threat
[06:49] <go_> willow....I was just asking a question...not a far fetched
idea
[06:49] <KenBz> zeno take the political BS somewhere else. Does the
fact that people are dead and dying mean anything to you, other than a chance
to post chat room BS? \
[06:49] <Nancy> all aircraft is grounded
[06:49] <Twoputt> All aircraft in the US has been ordered to land...
[06:50] * Zeno thinks maybe this could be Colombian Drug lords? Ochoa was
just extradited
[06:50] <Twoputt> Violators will be shotr down.
[06:50] <go_> KenBz...I certainly know this is a dangerous world and
have thought this type thing was on the horizon for a few years now
[06:50] <ShowTime> wow Twoputt
[06:50] <Zeno> KenBz. who is the enenmy. Me?
[06:50] <smirks> BUILDING HIT ON G STREET ..CLOSE TO THE WHITE HOUSDE
[06:50] <ShowTime> you're kidding Twoputt ?
[06:50] <Wender> KenBz, right, it's time to score some poltical points
[06:50] <ShowTime> ALL aircraft?
[06:50] <Pame> Air travel in this COUNTRY has come to a halt....
[06:50] <smirks> CONFIRMED
[06:50] <CarlSwanson> 4 we all should take a minute and pray for the
people who were killed this morning people... we lost, most probably, thousands
of Americans... kill the scroll for a few seconds
[06:50] <LindaWS> americans have so pissed off the poor around the
world and now look the poor have technology and fight back
[06:50] <ShowTime> yes, it's all shut down
[06:50] <ShowTime> this country has been immobilized
[06:50] <Pame> smirks how close are you to that building?
[06:50] <zz> KenBz .. back in WWII it was ships.. today we have planes
used as bombs..
[06:50] <KenBz> go - this is what happens when you fantasize that
it can't happen here, that it's someone else's problem, and - most importantly
- that you can negotiate and make peace with people who fanatically believe
they earn eternal glory by killing you
[06:50] <LindaWS> CarlSwanson , I am not a prayer,, I do feel so overwhelming
sad
[06:51] <go_> what happens if they hit out power plants???
[06:51] <Wender> KenBz, should we kill some arab civilians? Will correct
the situation?
[06:51] * smirks Pame .. 4 blocks
[06:51] <LindaWS> Wender that is wrong
[06:51] <katrina`> how in the world can a plane get close enough to
the pentagone to crash into it
[06:51] <ShowTime> lol Wender
[06:51] <Pame> go....we're in the dark then.....
[06:51] <Zeno> Civilian and military targets.
[06:51] <Zeno> katrina` they can't be stopped
[06:51] <rip-rap> wow, all airtports in country are shutdown
[06:51] <katrina`> Zeno they have tons of equipment
[06:51] <katrina`> no warning anything come on
[06:51] <ShowTime> heart is out on the golf course, removed from this,
the bum!
[06:51] <Zeno> Wender KenBz will just chastise you for trying to make
moral and political points
[06:52] <shooby> 4 please, I dont want to have to act, lets observe
rules of decorum
[06:52] <SharpEye> NATINWIDE GROUNDING OF ALL AIRCRAFT OVER US
[06:52] <WindyCity> Wow, the city is talking about evacuating the
Loop.
[06:52] <PixyStix> Husband is quite sure today is an "anniversary"
of something, which will give clues as to those responsible
[06:52] <zz> katrina` .. Planes take off every 5 minutes or less..
how could you stop it from crashing where it wants?
[06:52] <KenBz> and let's remember that the US has roughly 35 times
as many people as Israel. Did you yawn when you heard about those 20 teenagers
killed at the disco? If 700 are dead in this horror, that is proportionately
the same number. And they're just as innocent
[06:52] <CarlSwanson> The pentagon is fair game, it is a military
installation... no excuse for the WTC
[06:52] <PixyStix> He's researching it.
[06:52] <SharpEye> 4NATIONWIDE GROUNDING OF ALL AIRCRAFT OVER US AIRSPACE
[06:52] <PixyStix> SharpEye...yep
[06:52] <willow> Hey PixyStix
[06:52] <Yaakov> katrina`: you can't stop a large jet, even it you
hit it it will fall down basically in the direction it was going.
[06:52] <ShowTime> they will be shooting down planes
[06:52] <Spammi> I wonder who the culprits are.
[06:52] <Wender> KenBz, isn't it fun watching a helicopter hovering
over a population while releases a number of rockets?
[06:52] <katrina`> ShowTime 95.5 on the radio has very good coverage,
better than the tv
[06:52] <PixyStix> Hi willow
[06:52] <Spammi> WE should deal with them very harshly.
[06:52] <willow> New York, Washington...could LA be far behind?
[06:52] <Zeno> Spammim. NBC Andrea Mitchell calimed it was Palestinians
oif course
[06:52] <go_> KenBz....I don't yawn over the killing overseas....I
just can't think about it too much because it's overwhelming
[06:53] <Spammi> Zeno, could be....
[06:53] <katrina`> come on you are telling me the pentagon doesn't
have the military there, they didn't notice a plane coming towards them
[06:53] <ShowTime> Zeno , Yaakov said that also
[06:53] <alphabuck> wow all air traffic in usa is grounded
[06:53] <CarlSwanson> well, it could have been a lot worse... time
to start thinking what to do now...
[06:53] <Spammi> I don't know who did it....we'll have tow ait.
[06:53] <smirks> JETS ARE UP
[06:53] <Spammi> wait
[06:53] <smirks> CONFIRMED
[06:53] <ShowTime> katrina` so much for the missile shield
[06:53] <Zeno> Spammim. she was specutlating. Very poor reporting
on her part. Basically it was racist
[06:53] <katrina`> planes aren't even allowed to fly around the pentagon
[06:53] <go_> I wonder if Bush's plane will be escorted by military??
[06:53] <smirks> WE WILL TAKECONTROL OFTHE SKIES
[06:53] <KenBz> equating a retaliation at a military or command site
with the indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians is as sick as it gets
[06:53] <willow> It is confirmed that a Plane hit the pentagon
[06:53] <alphabuck> planes arent allowed to fly anywhere now kat
[06:53] <CarlSwanson> Zeno, Palestinians took credit for it...
[06:53] <rip-rap> all your base are belong to us
[06:54] <Zeno> CarlSwanson. who?
[06:54] <ShowTime> KenBz there are no innocent civilians in war
[06:54] <ShowTime> lol rip-rap
[06:54] <Yaakov> Zeno: The Democratic Front for the Liberation of
Palestine
[06:54] <Zeno> rip-rap I have seen that before where is it from?
[06:54] <SharpEye> 4AIRCRAFT CRASHS INTO PENTAGON
[06:54] <CarlSwanson> Zeno, one of the Peoples Popular Front deals...
[06:54] <KenBz> These are the people Israel is supposed to hand over
land and live in peace with. Learn something
[06:54] <CarlSwanson> SharpEye, old news...
[06:54] <Zeno> Yaakov, according to which news source?
[06:54] <SharpEye> This is Pearl Harbor folks
[06:54] <Zeno> SharpEye worse
[06:54] <Yaakov> Zeno: the three networks and CNN
[06:54] <Pame> Sharpy, yes it is......this is the end of the world
as we know it.......
[06:54] <rip-rap> morning zenie-weenie
[06:54] <ShowTime> sure is SharpEye , but we don't know who our enemy
is
[06:54] <Twoputt> A jet was seen flying over the White house a short
while ago.... That's not allowed.
[06:55] * Zeno hugs rip-rap
[06:55] <Wender> KenBz, you mean peace loving Israel?:
[06:55] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> is the plane crash into the pentagon
somethings else beside the bombing there?
[06:55] <SharpEye> Twoputt, WOW
[06:55] <Zeno> Yaakov not the source . it was AP.
[06:55] <SharpEye> HUGE FIREBALL At Pentagon
[06:55] <PixyStix> Treasury and Capitol evacuated
[06:55] *** PlagueRat is on IRC (is here)
[06:55] <Spammi> Zeno (sorry was staring at the screen)...I don't
draw any conclusions.....have NO idea who this is or why it was done.
[06:55] <katrina`> Twoputt thats just it, planes aren't allowed to
fly around the pentagon either, but yet one got through hummmm
[06:55] <rip-rap> i think the fire at pentagon (bombing) was due to
another plane crash
[06:55] <PolarNoid> b0om..
[06:55] <Wender> KenBz, "those people"
[06:55] <CarlSwanson> 4 Welcome to the real world people... now perhaps
we can stop thinking this is "someone elses problems".. the US,
in the past hour, has become a World Citizen.
[06:55] <SharpEye> LARGE AIRLINER hit Pentagon
[06:55] <WindyCity> Sears Tower evacuated.
[06:55] <Spammi> kat, what do you think that means?
[06:55] <Yaakov> Zeno: The reports I heard did not mention a primary
source, so I don't know where it came from.
[06:55] * ThangDrinkingCoffee can't get on any news website....*sigh*
[06:55] <alphabuck> yep guy says they used an airliner on pentagon
[06:55] <ShowTime> i bet newsroom has a thousand chatters
[06:55] <Wender> hey PlagueRat!!!
[06:55] <CarlSwanson> Al!
[06:55] <katrina`> rip-rap that was confirmed
[06:55] <Spammi> Sears Tower??? Whoa.
[06:56] <Al> Carl!!
[06:56] <Twoputt> The Secret Service ordered people in the White House
to run.
[06:56] <Spammi> They expecting attacks all over.
[06:56] <Pame> Al!!!!!!!!!!
[06:56] <Al> Pame!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[06:56] * PlagueRat scurries in
[06:56] <Spammi> Twoputt, cripes.
[06:56] <ShowTime> PlagueRat !!!!!!
[06:56] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> Rat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:56] <Zeno> Spammi neither have I. I WILL make fun of those like
andrea Mitchell who said it was Palestinains before any news was out about
it though
[06:56] <Spammi> I can't believe this is happening in OUR country.
[06:56] <rip-rap> LOL, a credible threat ...rotf
[06:56] <katrina`> Spammi idiot is very friendly with the terrorits,
and we know he wanted war
[06:56] <ShowTime> good idea WindyCity
[06:56] <PixyStix> White House rec'd credible threat of terrorist
attack on WH itself...they evacuated.
[06:56] <Al> Spammi I can
[06:56] <Zeno> Yaakov, without a source it is not reliable, correct?
[06:56] <Spammi> Zeno, go for it. Nobody should be blamed...no facts
are known.
[06:56] * CarlSwanson wonders if they are concerned about Sears Tower, what
about the WalMart Barn?
[06:56] <Yaakov> Zeno: no less reliable than the reports of Israeli
acts, or any other news story.
[06:56] <WindyCity> John Hancock Tower currently being evacuated.
[06:57] <Zeno> CarlSwanson. thinks critically. One civilian and one
military target now. What close the triangle?
[06:57] <WindyCity> Looks like they're gonna close down the Loop.
[06:57] <Pame> my daughter in law in Chicago......
[06:57] <CarlSwanson> katrina`, I am saddened to see you suggesting
anyone in this country is "friends of terrorist"......
[06:57] <Zeno> Yaakov you got it.
[06:57] * smirks no panic in the streets
[06:57] <shooby> this is so unreal
[06:57] <PixyStix> Oh maaaaan...just showed the plane hitting the
World Trade Center...the second plane
[06:57] <ShowTime> my whole family is in chicago
[06:57] <Al> Carl consider the source
[06:57] <Zeno> PixyStix ain't now movie this time :(
[06:57] <Zeno> no
[06:57] <ShowTime> PixyStix i saw it live on NBC
[06:58] <PlagueRat> Too bad we don't have a strong and forceful president
in charge... maybe Bush I will kick his son off the throne and take charge.
Lord knows we are going to suffer if Dubya tries to lead us through this
horrendous mess
[06:58] <Yaakov> Can anyone get to cnn.com?
[06:58] <rip-rap> i can already hear it ... Tim McVeigh was piloting
all 3 of the aircraft that were intentionally crashed today
[06:58] <PixyStix> Zeno...I'm in tears.
[06:58] <Zeno> ShowTime how did Katie and Matt do?
[06:58] <ShowTime> lol rip-rap
[06:58] * Spammi is glad she's out in the boondocks...anyone is in danger
today
[06:58] <katrina`> someone said the white house is on fire, and supposidly
the pentagon and the white house were hit before the towers
[06:58] <Zeno> PixyStix, I am literally shaking
[06:58] <Spammi> Pixy, so am I.
[06:58] <ShowTime> Zeno they woman on the phone screamed, she was
nearby
[06:58] <Spammi> Shaking too, Zeno.
[06:58] <Al> Yaakov it is hard to connect to it
[06:58] <PlagueRat> Spammi - ditto...
[06:58] <Spammi> Rat :<
[06:58] * willow does not want to go to work today, prefers to remain glued
to the TV
[06:58] <BigBadWolf> You are correct, Spammi. We are a nation under
siege. I am very afraid for everyone's lives.
[06:59] <Zeno> Spammi, and the people who did this succeeeded if THAT
is how you feel. this feeling we all have is what they want you to feel.
[06:59] <WindyCity> Oh, it's not an 'official' evacuation yet. Businesses
in the Sears Tower are just closing down themselves.
[06:59] <Spammi> BigBadWolf, I am too.
[06:59] <SharpEye> ANOTHER PLANE HITS
[06:59] <Al> I knew something like this would happen sooner or later
[06:59] <SharpEye> ANOTHER PLANE HITSAND ANOTHER
[06:59] <ShowTime> they spotted a low flying plane near the white
house
[06:59] <SharpEye> 4ANOTHER PLANE HITS
[06:59] <katrina`> the tower just crashed to the ground
[06:59] <PixyStix> ANOTHER HUGE EXPLOSION AT TRADE TOWER
[06:59] <SharpEye> OMG
[06:59] <Spammi> Another explosion?
[06:59] <smirks> EMBASSY HIT IN DC
[06:59] <SharpEye> TOWER Just BLEW UP
[06:59] <PixyStix> smirks?????????
[06:59] <rip-rap> street level explosion
[07:00] * Spammi wonders who we are going to war with...this will be war.
[07:00] <smirks> YES,PIXY
[07:00] <xstanx> omg
[07:00] <BigBadWolf> The Tower is crumbling
[07:00] <PixyStix> smirks...which embassy in DC?????
[07:00] <Twoputt> a 3rd explosiuon
[07:00] <xstanx> huge explosion
[07:00] <smirks> NOT SURE,PIXY
[07:00] <ShowTime> its war Spammi
[07:00] <Zeno> wow the tower just fell!
[07:00] <rip-rap> stae daepartment, too
[07:00] <katrina`> the whole building is gone
[07:00] <SharpEye> TOWER Just BLEW UP
[07:00] <Pame> What TOWER!
[07:00] <WindyCity> fire at the State Dept
[07:00] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> Spammi: this is war!
[07:00] <LindaWS> the tower collapsed
[07:00] <Al> Pame the tower at the top collapsed
[07:00] <ShowTime> new york tower Pame
[07:00] <LindaWS> the 110 TOWER BUILDING IS COLLAPSED
[07:00] <Pame> OMG......
[07:00] <ShowTime> world trade center
[07:00] <Zeno> see CarlSwanson I told you. The triangle must be closed.
Civilian, military and now govt.
[07:00] <Al> It is Bin Laden
[07:00] <LindaWS> www.cbc.ca/
[07:00] <rip-rap> whoa, reporter says south tower has collapsed
[07:01] <Sharonelle> WindyCity - is there a fire at the state dept
too??? Really?
[07:01] <LindaWS> the tower is collapsed
[07:01] <LindaWS> with
[07:01] <LindaWS> Witch hey
[07:01] <Twoputt> One of the towers has collapsed.
[07:01] <Al> Hey Witch
[07:01] <go_> jesus...tower is gone
[07:01] <shooby> hi witch
[07:01] <Witch> hi hi
[07:01] <zz> so the white house has been hit?
[07:01] <ShowTime> Al he is a force to be reckoned with
[07:01] <Yaakov> Thousands of people will have been killed.
[07:01] <Pame> The White House also?
[07:01] <ShowTime> Witch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:01] <Witch> no the white house hasn't been hit
[07:01] <badmojo> son of a bitch
[07:01] <Witch> hi showtime
[07:01] <SharpEye> yet
[07:01] <CarlSwanson> 4 We just watched 15,000 people die
[07:01] *** shooby sets mode: +b *!*@64.218.133.7o905=
[07:01] <go_> I pray the living got out of the tower!
[07:01] <Al> It is time to wipe out any country hiding Bin Laden
[07:01] <Spammi> My kids are watching this. I"m trying toe xplain...how
do youe xplain??? It's a horror show.
[07:01] <Blake> 12 We've Got WAR!
[07:01] <ShowTime> no Witch it was not hit, but they did see a low
flying plane nearby earlier
[07:01] <katrina`> Al get rid of idiot
[07:01] <Spammi> go, me too.
[07:01] <zz> CarlSwanson..
[07:02] <katrina`> a third explosion in ny
[07:02] <ShowTime> second plane out of newark nj
[07:02] <Al> katrina` oh for heaven's sake--what a remark!!
[07:02] <Zeno> 4 The entire city could catch on fire.
[07:02] <rip-rap> carl, do you rememmber the time you told me how
ignorant I was to think the towers could be brought down by explosives ?
[07:02] <LindaWS> a 3rd plane hit the pentagon
[07:02] <Yaakov> katrina`: how dare you blame ANYONE in this country
for this???
[07:02] <LindaWS> this is thanks to cheney & bush
[07:02] <Yaakov> katrina`: that is obscene.
[07:02] <Zeno> Al, why Laden?
[07:02] <ShowTime> Yaakov two words, timothy mcvieght
[07:02] <LindaWS> CarlSwanson the building collapsed
[07:02] <Blake> LindaWS What an awesome creep you are
[07:02] <juleee> there is a report that there was an explosion on
lower floor of world trade
[07:02] <Al> katrina` that was a disgraceful remark---despicable
[07:02] <PixyStix> smirks...if you hear anything more about the embassy,
fill me in please.
[07:02] <katrina`> Yaakov how dare idiot be all buddy buddy with vin
laden, and want nothing but war, DON'T BLAME ME
[07:02] <Spammi> ShowTime, my God. You think so?????
[07:02] <go_> LindaWS....you are sooo out of line
[07:02] <Al> Zeno--he has the money and the resourcesd
[07:02] <smirks> PixyStix... absolutely
[07:02] <Blake> 12LindaW> this is thanks to cheney & bush
[07:02] * Spammi feels sick
[07:03] <ShowTime> no Spammi i don't, but we were hoodwinked last
time
[07:03] <Spammi> ShowTime, true.
[07:03] <LindaWS> Blake ,, this is not the ordinary americans, it's
bush cheney attacking the world
[07:03] <CarlSwanson> rip-rap, yeah... course, show me a bomb that
weighs 2 million pounds and has 30,000 gallons of fuel and hits a building
at 450 mph....
[07:03] <ShowTime> that is true Blake , bush alienated the world against
him
[07:03] <SharpEye> This is getting VERY Serious folks
[07:03] <katrina`> IDIOT HAS WANTED NOTHING BUT WAR
[07:03] <Yaakov> I am SICK of this, completely sick. Blaming anyone
but the MONSTERS who did this is supreme idiocy.
[07:03] <Zeno> Al, many nations have the money and resources. Many
men too. Be careful who you blame, Remember Richard jewell and Tim McVeigh
[07:03] <Spammi> ShowTime, you're right. THat's the first thing I
thought of when I heard about it.
[07:03] <CarlSwanson> julee, there is no Lower Floor
[07:03] <juleee> this is not the time for recriminations
[07:03] <zz> showtime.. this is not about Bush.. geez..
[07:03] <CarlSwanson> somebody kick katrina`................
[07:03] <Nancy> This makes four separate attacks
[07:03] <juleee> planes hit top 1/3
[07:03] <Spammi> WTG Bush.
[07:03] <katrina`> CarlSwanson go for, never have i let anyone just
hit me
[07:04] <zz> Yaakov... what can be done.. I'm just shaking..
[07:04] <Blake> ShowTime How stupid can you be? This was Bin Laden
[07:04] <LindaWS> 1/3 of the people on earth do not have clean water
or electricity... yet columbia is defoliated
[07:04] *** shooby sets mode: -b *!*@64.218.133.Ok936=
[07:04] <Yaakov> CarlSwanson: that would be just as idiotic
[07:04] <zz> LindaWS its colombia..
[07:04] <CarlSwanson> So SPAMMI and SHOWTIM>... There have not
been any terrorist attacks until BUSH GOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE??? YOU pathetic
slime
[07:04] <Yaakov> zz: help the people, then find the criminals.
[07:04] <Zeno> Al, plus Bush has indeed alienated many foreign nations
with his dumbo routine
[07:04] <LindaWS> this is the time to help the poor, dont build more
bombs, give the people some help
[07:04] * shooby everyone please stay calm
[07:04] <Blake> Carl these are the biggest sleazeballs I've seen in
my life
[07:04] <Pame> This is NOT the time for blame!.....
[07:04] <Nancy> shooby carl has no right to make this personal
[07:04] <KenBz> the sick sick people who are using this to make political
brownie points in a chat room, ought to seek out help. What's wrong with
you? How depraved can you be?
[07:04] <zz> Yaakov I'm so afraid there will be more.. so afraid.
[07:04] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> Stevetalk!!!!!!!
[07:04] <shooby> hi steve
[07:04] <katrina`> idiot got rid of all those treaties
[07:04] <LindaWS> www.cbc.ca/ DC is evacuated, the city
[07:04] <Spammi> Pame, I agree.
[07:04] <rip-rap> jeeeez, the top 1/3 of the building just fell
[07:04] <Stevetalk> Thang
[07:04] <Yaakov> zz: there may be.
[07:05] <Stevetalk> my God
[07:05] * ThangDrinkingCoffee is having goosebumps up his neck
[07:05] <ShowTime> not like this CarlSwanson this is the mother of
all 'terrorist' acts
[07:05] <juleee> kenbz, feel sorry for them
[07:05] <zz> katrina` you are the idiot today.. please be still.
[07:05] <LindaWS> all air travel in the usa is grounded
[07:05] * ThangDrinkingCoffee is not often this scared before
[07:05] <katrina`> including the treaty to keep crap away from terrorists,
thanks idiot
[07:05] <Blake> This is the worst thing
[07:05] <PixyStix> Television Abu Dabi reports: PLF RESPONSIBLE
[07:05] <Twoputt> Flight 11 from Logan was one of the planes.
[07:05] <LindaWS> people stop calling each other idiots
[07:05] <CarlSwanson> katrina` is apparently happy this happened,
so is Spammi and SHowtime, it gives them something to blame on Republicans
[07:05] <LindaWS> PixyStix what is PLF?
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[07:05] <ShowTime> you're sick CarlSwanson
[07:05] <LindaWS> CarlSwanson , who can be happy, this is overwhelming
sad
[07:05] <katrina`> CarlSwanson yes, i can't think of anything i would
enjoy more than watching thousands die
[07:05] <katrina`> i'm so overjoyed i'm shaking
[07:06] <Yaakov> CarlSwanson: they are not happy. They are sick, and
maybe mistaken.
[07:06] <Blake> ILin You use this for political points?
[07:06] <ShowTime> i sat in front of my tv and cried bringing the
babies out of the day care in oklahoma
[07:06] <LindaWS> <--- weeping
[07:06] <LindaWS> ShowTime me too
[07:06] <WindyCity> Carl-no offense, but McCain was the one who after
the USS Cole got attacked said "nothing like this would happen under
a Bush administration".
[07:06] * zz wonders if the smoke now filling Manhattan would not be just
as choking as a fire.
[07:06] <shooby> 4 P l e a s e we dont need to eat each other
[07:06] <Al> Yep blame Bush ---blame those evil republicans----blame
the tax rebate--anything but the act of sick,cowards
[07:06] <PixyStix> People's Front for the Liberation of Palestine
[07:06] <Spammi> <----crying and shaking...this is worse than OK..and
that's hard.
[07:06] <KenBz> Carl - that's exactly right. The worst terrorist attack
in world history, and as people are dying in front of them, they use it
to make a political comment. Depraved doesn't begin to describe this
[07:06] <Pame> This is NOT the time for blame!.....QUITE out there.....
[07:06] <CarlSwanson> WindyCity, McCain is a twisted little moron
on his good days...
[07:06] <Laura> Al, amen
[07:06] <LindaWS> WindyCity . 1/3 of the people on earth have not
electricity or clean water
[07:06] <CarlSwanson> clay45
[07:07] <Spammi> Pame, I agree. It's a time for our country to pull
together.
[07:07] <BigBadWolf> This is not a republican or democratic issue.
Leave party loyality at the door for one day. I am afraid for people's lives.
This has nothing ot do with party politics.
[07:07] <clay45> has bush resigned in shame yet
[07:07] <LindaWS> Pame it's time to be considerate of the poor on
earth
[07:07] <Pame> SOOOOOO QUIET out there.....
[07:07] <shooby> hiya coz
[07:07] <PolarNoid> did something just happen in Chicago too..
[07:07] <LindaWS> cosmo .. :)
[07:07] <cosmo> hey shooby, Linda :)
[07:07] <ShowTime> PolarNoid they evactuated the loop
[07:07] * smirks is holding his breath
[07:07] <KenBz> These are PALESTINIAN TERRORISTS. And what they're
doing THEY DO EVERY DAY IN ISRAEL. LEARN something
[07:07] <cosmo> hey Pame !!!!!
[07:07] <shooby> lop smirks
[07:07] <Pame> Spammi, I have been saying for weeks I needed to got
Canada....
[07:07] <Laura> This isn't Bush's fault, or the GOP, or the Democrats...
[07:07] <PolarNoid> wow..
[07:07] <cosmo> smirks !!!!
[07:07] <LindaWS> PolarNoid cbc has planes crashing into pentagon,
1, 2 into world trade, 1 building collapsed
[07:07] <Stevetalk> I just turned on my TV. I didn't believe what
I was seeing
[07:07] <CarlSwanson> ah, clay45. good for you... 20,000 people die
in front of us and YOU make political comments....
[07:07] <Spammi> Collapse
[07:07] * smirks brb..going out on K street
[07:07] <katrina`> smirks is in dc
[07:07] <Pame> smirks NO!
[07:07] <Laura> PolarNoid, no they evacuated Sears just in case for
safety reasons, I think
[07:07] <WindyCity> PolarNoid-at this point they're just voluntarily
evacuating towers in Chicago. Businesses are just closing on their own.
[07:07] <PolarNoid> ahh..
[07:08] <KenBz> Now do we do something about it, or do we pretend
again while they ready the next attack?
[07:08] <zz> Spammi what collapse?
[07:08] <ShowTime> kenny it's a war in mideast, both jews and arabs
are terrorists there
[07:08] <JGM36> 21Hello.
[07:08] * CarlSwanson just heard a reporter ask if a man saw the tower after
it collapsed....
[07:08] <Stevetalk> zz. ONe of the two world trade towers collapsed
[07:08] <KenBz> go to hell showtime. Go straight to hell, you absolute
idiot
[07:08] <juleee> subways in nyc is shut down
[07:08] <Pame> 4MOBLIZE THE WHO GOD DAMN MILITARY NOW!
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[07:08] <Pame> WHOLE EVEN.....
[07:08] <CarlSwanson> Pame, been done
[07:08] <Blooming2000_Dad> A little hypocritical of KenBz to comment
on other's political statements: <KenB> These are the people Israel
is supposed to hand over land and live in peace with. Learn something
[07:08] <Spammi> Pame, agree.
[07:08] *** shooby sets mode: +b *!*@207.207.243.ox89=
[07:08] <Spammi> This is war.
[07:08] <katrina`> Pame i was wondering that myself
[07:08] <go_> Live call in on cspan
[07:08] <Pame> Spammi, absolutely.....
[07:08] <Spammi> We need to protect our own.
[07:08] <Spammi> NOW
[07:08] <cosmo> What the hell happened at the World Trade Center??
[07:09] <Stevetalk> oh man, please tell me I'm dreaming
[07:09] <PolarNoid> right about now the doomsday clock just skipped
2-5 minutes ahead..
[07:09] <katrina`> collapsed
[07:09] <ShowTime> cosmo you don't want to know
[07:09] <Pame> "The VP can direct a whole world wide war".....
[07:09] <Al> cosmo it was blown up by terrorists
[07:09] <willow> If we only spent more on our military, stuff like
this would never happen....
[07:09] <Stevetalk> cosmo, hit twice by airliners
[07:09] <CarlSwanson> cosmo, two planes crashed into them one tower
collapsed
[07:09] <clay45> this is the kind of security we get from bush...this
is his fault....he should resign now
[07:09] <cosmo> Al, Blown UP???
[07:09] <Al> cosmo yep
[07:09] <CarlSwanson> cosmo, gone.
[07:09] <katrina`> cosmo were you been, 2 planed crashed into the
towers, one tower is colapsed
[07:09] <cosmo> holw cow
[07:09] <ShowTime> right clay45
[07:09] <Stevetalk> cosmo, and the pentagon too
[07:09] <katrina`> and a mall in dc
[07:09] <Pame> cos, the Pentagon has been bombed, the WH is being
evacuated.....
[07:09] <cosmo> Stevetalk, what happened at the pentagon?
[07:09] <willow> Cosmo, reports state that a plane crashed into the
pentagon
[07:09] <Pame> Sears Tower....
[07:09] <Stevetalk> cosmo, I just found out too
[07:09] <Pame> ALL US commerical planes have been grounded in the
US.....
[07:09] <Stevetalk> cosmo, some type of attack
[07:10] <Spammi> I woke up and found out. I didn't know.
[07:10] <Pame> NY is SHUT DOWN.....
[07:10] <CarlSwanson> this is the kind of partisan crap we get from
the simple minded haters... "this is the kind of security we get from
Bush"
[07:10] <cosmo> damn
[07:10] <Sharonelle> C-spam says plane crashes in NY and W DC.
[07:10] <Pame> Spammi my daughter in law called me.....
[07:10] <Stevetalk> brb
[07:10] <ShowTime> Pame US is shutdown for air travel, ALL PLANES
HAD TO LAND IMMEDIATELY
[07:10] <katrina`> cosmo really this should come as a shock, we knew
idiot wanted war, it was just a matter of time when
[07:10] <Pame> Show yes....
[07:10] <clay45> call names carl it is all you ever do
[07:10] <Sharonelle> I'm not seeing much about the Pentagon explosion
[07:10] <Pame> It is so quiet here.....
[07:10] <go_> someone on cspan wonders if Biochemicals are involved...hmm
[07:10] <Spammi> kat, I'm still shocked.
[07:10] <JGM36> 21I cannot help but believe that there are at ten
thousand casualties.
[07:10] <ShowTime> Sharonelle it's the wtc that has the p eople, c
asualties
[07:11] <Spammi> WHERE IS IDIOT? WHY ISNT HE TALKING TO US?
[07:11] <Sharonelle> Hiya, Socrtease! Good to see you!
[07:11] <ShowTime> the loss of life when 1/3 of the tower collasped
[07:11] * CarlSwanson thinks it's unreal some people use something this
horrible as an excuse to engage in their hate speech about Bush... un-freaking-real
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[07:11] <cosmo> katrina', pulling out of that conference on Racism
not a good idea. Not that it would have made a difference i dont think.
[07:11] <Witch> he did already spami, and he's being flown in
[07:11] <Sharonelle> ShowTime - yes, but an explosion at the Pentagon
is very significant.
[07:11] <SharpEye> ANOTHER Explosing near Pentagon !!
[07:11] <Al> Spammi---the President was on tv --he made a statement
[07:11] <Spammi> Witch, ok.
[07:11] <JGM36> 21Hi Socrtease, Sharpeye
[07:11] <Spammi> Al, ok.
[07:11] <ShowTime> cosmo it's never a good idea to alienate the rest
of the world from you
[07:11] <katrina`> cosmo idiot has made a threat to the world
[07:11] <go_> CarlSwanson....I agree....it's inhuman
[07:11] <SharpEye> Military Jets Patroling Airspace over DC
[07:11] <LindaWS> cosmo I agree, the usa took sides instead of showing
leadership and trying to mediate
[07:11] <Spammi> How many people think we are going to go to war?
[07:11] <LindaWS> cosmo . gosh I like your style :)
[07:11] <JGM36> 21I cannot help but believe that there are at least
ten thousand casualties.
[07:11] <Al> Carl--it is sick
[07:11] <cosmo> agreed Linda
[07:11] <Spammi> Hi, Aero.
[07:11] <Pame> Spammi, we already ARE at WAR......
[07:11] <SharpEye> HUGE Fire at Pentagon
[07:12] <ShowTime> thank you Pame
[07:12] <Spammi> Pame, officially.
[07:12] <CarlSwanson> Aero, sad day :(
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[07:12] <LindaWS> cosmo .. it's time to ensure that everyone on earth
has 1st world life style
[07:12] <Pame> Spami, pretty much.....
[07:12] <katrina`> they aren't even showing the pentagon on the news
[07:12] <JGM36> 21This is horrifying.
[07:12] <Aero> the CIA gets an early start?
[07:12] <LindaWS> SharpEye a plane hit the pentagon
[07:12] <Sharonelle> Spam - go to war against who? What nation?
[07:12] <JGM36> 21Hi Aero
[07:12] <cosmo> LindaWS, agreed again.
[07:12] <katrina`> Aero seems that way
[07:12] <BigBadWolf> This will be a dark day in American History
[07:12] <Spammi> BigBadWolf, it sure will be.
[07:12] <SharpEye> LindaWS, TWO PLANES have hit the Pentagon
[07:12] <ShowTime> Sharonelle somebody against the US
[07:12] <Pame> This will take YEARS to rebuild, IF we survive.....
[07:12] <LindaWS> cosmo . the usa has the wealth to do it, why defoliate
columbia, a poor country
[07:12] <Spammi> Sharon, don't know yet.
[07:12] * Socrtease agrees totally with Carl (don't faint Carl) Now is not
the time for partisan bickering or to use this for some sort of political
advantage. Americans have lost their lives today at the hands of terrorists.
It is time to unite as one and support all our leaders as they try to deal
with this.
[07:12] <Twoputt> I can't believe that they have the president in
the sky right now.
[07:12] <Blooming2000_Dad> CarlSwanson Yes the freaks are in mass
again todya... they care nothing about people or this country ... only there
agenda... I am sure the DNC is composing talking points for these idiots
as we speak.
[07:12] <Spammi> Whoever did this.
[07:12] <LindaWS> SharpEye I am watching www.cbc.ca/
[07:12] <JGM36> 21Hi Bubble
[07:12] <Sharonelle> ShowTime - oh, we just put alla countries that
hate us into a hat and pick one to declare war on?
[07:12] <clay45> we will not go to war spammi....who would we be at
war with.......the cia didn't even see this coming...we have a totally unable
leader with no vision....
[07:12] <Al> Socrtease amen
[07:13] <LindaWS> UNSPEAKABLE HORROR
[07:13] <Spammi> clay *sigh*
[07:13] <cosmo> LindaWS, the US government thinks it has a mandate
to rule the world. Not everyone agrees apparently.
[07:13] <PixyStix> EXPLOSION ON CAPITOL HILL - CNN just rec'd a report...not
confirmed yet
[07:13] <Twoputt> Explosion on West Side of Capitol.
[07:13] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> is the 2nd WTC building completely gone?
[07:13] <katrina`> Aero things are already funny, planes aren't allowed
to fly over the pentagon, yet planes were able to crash into it, the high
jacked plane wasn't on the news, it left from boston
[07:13] <ShowTime> we're at war Sharonelle we just don't know our
opponent yet
[07:13] <LindaWS> Sharonelle , good point, who is the usa going to
war with exactly?
[07:13] <katrina`> explosion in dc
[07:13] * CarlSwanson apparently some people are either pathetically hypocritcal,
or they are about to start blaming Clinton for the OKC bombing
[07:13] <Spammi> Explosion in the Capitol????
[07:13] <LindaWS> cosmo .. the poor have technology now
[07:13] <PlagueRat> Lets nuke the French.... good excuse.
[07:13] <Socrtease> second explosion in DC?
[07:13] <ShowTime> katrina` so much for our missile sheild
[07:13] <Bubble> hi JGM36
[07:13] <Twoputt> Military jets have scrambled & taken control
of airspace over DC.
[07:13] <clay45> bushes refusal to help with peace has brought this
disaster to our shores
[07:13] <ShowTime> lol PlagueRat
[07:13] <LindaWS> CarlSwanson , okc was home grown nuts
[07:13] <katrina`> ShowTime no doubt
[07:13] <JGM36> 21Twoputt, it is easier to defend the President this
way.
[07:13] <cosmo> LindaWS, I don't think StarWars II would have prevented
this.
[07:13] <Nancy> 2nd explosion at pentagon
[07:13] <willow> hey aero
[07:14] <PixyStix> Soc...CNN just said a report of explosion on Capitol
Hill was just rec'd...not confirmed yet
[07:14] <WindyCity> Speaking of those who are jumping up and down
about 'partisanship'--let's rerun those clips of McCain after the USS Cole
attack, shall we?
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[07:14] <CarlSwanson> LindaWS, apparently some would still claim it
was Clinton's fault
[07:14] <Socrtease> Plague you don't have to nuke the french just
yell at them in german and they will surrender
[07:14] <LindaWS> cosmo impossible, remember 3 poor men dressed in
galibia took out the uss cole, the biggest ship in the fleet
[07:14] <ShowTime> cosmo planes are not supposed to fly over the pentagon,
the weren't able to stop one flying into the building!
[07:14] <cosmo> lol Socrtease
[07:14] <Sharonelle> WindyCity - you bring up the best points.
[07:14] <Blake> 12 This is ULTIMATELY STUPID, people are DEAD, and
folks are trying to score political points
[07:14] <clay45> wait until later today carl....bush will be blaming
clinton like he is trying to do now with the economy
[07:14] <WindyCity> "Nothing like this would happen under a Bush
administration". John McCain, immediately following the USS Cole attack.
[07:14] <CarlSwanson> WindyCity, when that crazt little moron comes
in here, show him what he said...
[07:14] <SharpEye> WEST SIDE US CAPITOL EXPLOSION
[07:14] <PlagueRat> I agree that it is time to put aside partisan
bickering... however, I do feel saddened that we don't have a strong and
capable leader to get behind. Maybe Colin Powel will come to the front and
lead the people through this time...
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[07:14] <Spammi> clay, THAT would be the bitter end.
[07:14] <Al> clay45 you are a real peach
[07:14] <SharpEye> 12WEST SIDE US CAPITOL EXPLOSION
[07:14] <cosmo> ShowTime, than one got through to the WH when clinton
was there too.
[07:14] <LindaWS> Blake there is great grief, we are trying to understand
this
[07:14] <Nancy> clay45 even I am tired of your blatherings
[07:14] <Socrtease> Windy I don't care what anyone else ever did during
ANY tragedy. NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO BE DIVISIVE
[07:15] <Blooming2000_Dad> WindyCity And nothing has
[07:15] <ShowTime> Blake i have no concern for the dead, i'm concerned
about the many more that are trapped in the building, and those that are
injured
[07:15] <katrina`> clay45 they already did, they blamed clinton for
not getting the terrorist stuff in place fast enough
[07:15] <PixyStix> UN evacuated
[07:15] <Sharonelle> WindyCity - man o man, McCain's gonna hafta eat
those words.
[07:15] <LindaWS> PixyStix nothing is moving in the usa
[07:15] <Blake> ShowTime they are dead
[07:15] <clay45> then put me on ignore nancy
[07:15] <cosmo> What time was it in NYC when the Trade Center got
hit?
[07:15] <CarlSwanson> Screw McCain... an unstable little war mongering
bigot and racist...
[07:15] <PixyStix> Linda...so it seems.
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[07:15] <shooby> 12 lets all take a moment of silence, perhaps pray,
for this to end
[07:15] <LindaWS> cosmo around 9 et
[07:15] <PixyStix> 8:45 am first time, cosmo...then, another plane
attacked it
[07:15] <PlagueRat> I'm going to go run the flag at our firestation
down to half mast....
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[07:15] <Blake> ShowTime and you lie, you are concerened with blaming
Bush
[07:15] <SharpEye> I would guess the Death toll is about 50,000 already
[07:15] <Blooming2000_Dad> Sharonelle Nonsense.. this can not be avoided....
pulling into a known terrorist port can be avoided...
[07:15] <ShowTime> Nancy , we can point out why this could happen,
Bush has a major crisis to deal with right now, He has my full support now
[07:15] <PixyStix> cosmo...then, there was a third explosion...and
one tower crumbled
[07:16] <BigBadWolf> This is an AMERICAN issue. We need to stand together,
republican and democrats!
[07:16] <cosmo> Linda, PixyStix, hundreds if not thousands of dead
then. :(
[07:16] <ShowTime> it lies at his feet Blake
[07:16] <rip-rap> the 2nd tower is totally collapsed ?
[07:16] <CarlSwanson> SharpEye, nah.... only 50K work in both towers
[07:16] <Spammi> ShowTime, yeah...me too.
[07:16] <cosmo> Pixy, MADNESS
[07:16] <CarlSwanson> Anders!
[07:16] <LindaWS> Blooming2000_Dad .. ensuring every person on earth
has a 1st world lifestyle will prevent this
[07:16] <Nancy> ShowTime well I support those around him anyway
[07:16] <LindaWS> cosmo . surely thousands
[07:16] <ShowTime> heh Nancy
[07:16] <Spammi> Maybe that's more like it. I support those around
him.
[07:16] <Blake> ShowTime Clinton bombed Bin Laden, what blame does
HE have?
[07:16] <Anders> this is insane, it's a catastrophee.
[07:16] <Stevetalk> this is almost just like a tom clancy book
[07:16] <CarlSwanson> cosmo, there was no later explosion, just a
structural collapse...
[07:16] <Spammi> wb Pamie
[07:16] <Pame> Spammi thanks.....
[07:16] <Al> wb Pame
[07:16] <ShowTime> Blake clinton protected us
[07:16] <Anders> I heard there was an explosion in the senate here.
[07:16] <Anders> on the news
[07:16] <LindaWS> how come the israeli hit men are so good yet americans
cant take out bin laden with the same accuracy?
[07:16] <Stevetalk> our country is never going to be the same again
[07:17] <JGM36> 21This is exactly like a Tom Clancy book. Exactly.
[07:17] <Anders> and pentagon
[07:17] <LindaWS> just a side bar question
[07:17] <Laura> we have to band together, despite political differences
and fight this
[07:17] <katrina`> explosion on capital hill
[07:17] <Blake> ShowTime You are exposing your true colors to the
room
[07:17] <Bubble> hi Stevetalk
[07:17] <Al> LJ--bingo!!
[07:17] <Bubble> hi Pame
[07:17] <Stevetalk> hi Bubble
[07:17] <Bubble> wb juleee
[07:17] <Spammi> Hi Bubble
[07:17] <ShowTime> great Blake , what a compliment!
[07:17] <katrina`> no explosion on capital hill
[07:17] <juleee> an explosion at the capitol
[07:17] <Pame> Bubble, hi.....
[07:17] <JGM36> 21Hi Joeve, juleee
[07:17] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> this is out of my imagination
[07:17] <LindaWS> juleee , more than the pentagon
[07:17] <Anders> katrina`, tehy sad so on the news here
[07:17] <juleee> no, CNN is saying it
[07:17] <LindaWS> ?
[07:17] <Blooming2000_Dad> LindaWS I don't think so... although I
fully support ending the plight of the Palestinians I also believethere
will always be malcontents... they would just find something else to fight
for... like animal testing or something.
[07:17] <Bubble> hi Spammi
[07:17] <katrina`> unless cnn didn't get the facts straight
[07:17] <Joeve-afk> SO why didn't the missile defense shield stop
the planes from hitting the wtc?
[07:17] <CarlSwanson> 2 Time to see if we are the people our parents
were.. time to see if we can pull together and get past this and bring the
people responsible to a quick and painful death...
[07:17] <rip-rap> why is there no video from Washington DC ?
[07:17] <Wender> LindaWS, becasue that would mean murdering alot of
innocent people
[07:17] <katrina`> Anders yes , but the lady is looking at the capital
building right now
[07:17] <Blake> 12 TIME TO FIGHT!
[07:17] <Bubble> wb KenBz
[07:17] <LindaWS> Blooming2000_Dad ... 1/3 of thepeople on earth have
no clean water or electricity
[07:17] <PixyStix> riprap...was wondering the same.
[07:18] <KenBz> now I'm watching DC
[07:18] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> hi KenB!
[07:18] <Anders> katrina`, ok. I don't have cnn.....
[07:18] <ShowTime> better question Joeve-afk , why didn't it stop
a plane from running into the pentagon, which doesn't allow planes to fly
over
[07:18] <LindaWS> Blake who are you going to fight?
[07:18] <cosmo> fight whom Blake?
[07:18] <Al> Ken on what channel?
[07:18] <Blake> cosmo this is bin Laden
[07:18] <juleee> world trade center 1 collapsed
[07:18] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> Ken: what you see?
[07:18] <Blooming2000_Dad> LindaWS Yes.. that is terrible.. but not
the cause of this problem.
[07:18] <LindaWS> were air traffic controllers asleep?
[07:18] <katrina`> Anders cnn reporters have been known to have there
facts wrong once or twice before in the past
[07:18] <BigBadWolf> Report of Explosion on Capitol Hill?
[07:18] <ShowTime> juleee the second airjacked plane flew out of newark
[07:18] <Sharonelle> julee - CNN is saying what?
[07:18] <JGM36> 21foxnews is interviewing a witness
[07:18] <cosmo> Blake, of course. And Bush gives the Taliban money,
his supporters.
[07:18] <WindyCity> How do you know this was Bin Laden?
[07:18] <LindaWS> Blooming2000_Dad yes it is, americans destroy other
lands for greed and eventually the poor learn some technology
[07:19] <Joeve> sorry about that
[07:19] <KenBz> sorry, my wife just called.
[07:19] <zz> CarlSwanson.. was it us, CarlSwanson?.. did we do it?
We tried to rule the world with our militarism..we sent the CIA to nation
build.. why else would we be a target?
[07:19] <LindaWS> WindyCity we dont know, know one has claimed responsibility
yet
[07:19] <Zeno> WindyCity, Bin Laden is not one of us, therefore it
must be him.
[07:19] <go_> I think this is a religious war...not an attack over
political differences
[07:19] <juleee> no telephone service to Manhattan
[07:19] <Blake> Bin Laden should now be hunted to the ends of the
Earth
[07:19] <Pame> Oh jesus christ.....Dobbins is SCRAMBLING BIG TIME
HERE IN ATLANTA.......
[07:19] <Zeno> Blake, why not Sharon?
[07:19] <LindaWS> zz how come the usa hit men couldnt get him? then
use the israeli ones, they seem accurate using usa equipment
[07:19] <SharpEye> Pame, really ?
[07:19] <Al> Pame Dobbins?
[07:19] <KenBz> I'm watching nbc out of philadelphia, which I barely
get. NY stations, other than cbs (which just went out on me) aren't available
[07:19] <CarlSwanson> zz, it was our arrogance that led us to believe
we could "tell the world how to live"...
[07:19] <ShowTime> Blake we all knew his capabilities, he's not on
the FBI's most wanted list for nothing
[07:19] <SharpEye> Pame, Fighters, or Bombers?
[07:19] <JGM36> 21Dobbins AFB
[07:19] <Pame> DOBBINS AIRFORCE BASE IS EMTYING.....
[07:19] <SharpEye> 4Pame, Fighters, or Bombers?
[07:20] <LindaWS> Blake , dont you find it a tad odd that americans
can take out bin laden yet israeli hitmen can get people in their offices
[07:20] <zz> CarlSwanson .. How could we fall into that arrogance?
[07:20] <Pame> I'M ABOUT 12 MILES FROM THERE.....
[07:20] <PixyStix> ShowTime...I heard someone from the Pentagon say
that a helicopter that bore US military markings circled the Pentagon, then
lost sight of it, there was an explosion/fireball. So, don't know what that's
about, as others are saying a plane hit the Pentagon.
[07:20] <Pame> SHARPY YES.....
[07:20] <SharpEye> 4Pame, Fighters, or Bombers?
[07:20] <Zeno> LindaWS this thing looks like a Mossad or CIA operation
[07:20] <JGM36> 21Hi tom3, chuck
[07:20] <Joeve> So how long before W starts saying the best way to
handle the situation is by cutting taxes for his oil buddies, who will then
produse an airplane-defense system
[07:20] <SharpEye> Dammit, can you answer me please
[07:20] <Pame> ONLY AIR TRAFFIC IS DOBBINS GOING OUT BIG TIME.....
[07:20] <tom3> jesus
[07:20] <SharpEye> 4Pame, Fighters, or Bombers?
[07:20] <LindaWS> Zeno it looks like some disgruntled people
[07:20] <juleee> no, CIA
[07:20] <Blake> where is Dobbins?
[07:20] <Yaakov> zz: we are a target because we stand against wrong.
We are not perfect, by any stretch, but Americans tend to stand for justice--and
against the types of people that would do this horrible act. We are NOT
culpable, we are victims.
[07:20] <Wender> zz, the US is not to blame - it's the acts of a bunch
of sick individuals
[07:20] <Pame> SHARPY I CAN'T SEE FOR THE CLOUD COVER.....SOUNDS LIKE
THE FIGHTERS.....
[07:20] <KenBz> cbs new york is coming in and out. St. Vincent's hospital
already has 50 - 100 in critical condition. I spoke to my son before and
he was ok, and I can't get through to him since
[07:20] <Spammi> tom3, no joke.
[07:20] <Nancy> PixyStix the helicopter story was disputed by someone
that saw a larger plane tail section
[07:20] <Zeno> k Dubya no lober mean Walker. but.................................WAR!
[07:20] <SharpEye> oK
[07:20] <Pame> BLAKE ATLANTA GA....
[07:20] <Spammi> Wender, agree.
[07:20] <tom3> i heard the palestinians are taking credit for this
catastrophe
[07:20] <PixyStix> Woman on CNN now says commericial plane hit Pentagon
[07:20] <Al> Good grief!! <Zen> LindaWS this thing looks like
a Mossad or CIA operation
[07:20] <CarlSwanson> zz, it is what people do... it is natural to
believe we are the Prime Movers and others should be just like us...
[07:20] * ThangDrinkingCoffee is about to pee in his pants
[07:20] <katrina`> i wonder why noone is reporting on the pentagon
[07:20] <LindaWS> PixyStix yeah, cbc reported that
[07:21] <Zeno> LindaWS. like I said. Mossd and CIA. They ARE disgruntled.
[07:21] <Spammi> tom3, are they?
[07:21] <tom3> one of the trade center towers has collapsed
[07:21] <LindaWS> the cia is attacking the usa?
[07:21] <Zeno> All, it does indeed.
[07:21] <Stevetalk> this is exactly like a tom clancy book
[07:21] <SharpEye> 4Martial Law by Sundown
[07:21] <rip-rap> eye witness says it was a commercial jet that hit
pentagon
[07:21] <Joeve> of course knowing W he might have set the whole thing
up himself in order to call for martial law or something
[07:21] <Sharonelle> CNN is showing the Pentagon now
[07:21] <Spammi> There is no excuse...none...for doing this. None.
[07:21] <Pame> SHAPRY YES....
[07:21] <zz> Yaakov and Wender.. our CIA armed and trained the terrorists
in Afghanistan..
[07:21] <JGM36> 21A foxnewz reporter is trying to find someone at
the Pentagon to interview
[07:21] <Nancy> all international planes to US are also grounded from
the rest of the world
[07:21] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> tom: that's so sad :(
[07:21] <juleee> joeve, no way
[07:21] <katrina`> LindaWS what did the cbc report?
[07:21] <CarlSwanson> Al, the anti-semites take any excuse to vent.....
sad really
[07:21] <juleee> stop it
[07:21] <JGM36> 21She isn't very popular right now
[07:21] <Al> Carl---it never ends
[07:21] <Joeve> julee, I wouldn't put it past W to do that
[07:21] <Wender> zz, why don't you stop this nonsense
[07:21] <Zeno> CarlSwanson yes and the anit Arabs do the same thing...:)
[07:21] <JGM36> 21Hi EdC
[07:21] <KenBz> I can't get through to my son, who works next to the
world trade center. I talked to him when he called after the first attack.
I'm trying not to make anything of this, since all circuits are hopelessly
tied up
[07:21] <shooby> wb aurora
[07:22] <CarlSwanson> Joeve, you're pathetic even thinking that....
unreal.
[07:22] <JGM36> 21Hi Aurora
[07:22] <PixyStix> wb Aurora
[07:22] <Al> Hi Aurora
[07:22] <Aurora> thanks shooby
[07:22] <LindaWS> KenBz . I hope your son is ok
[07:22] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> wb Aurora!
[07:22] <Wender> hey Aurora!!
[07:22] <zz> KenBz .. our thoughts are with you.
[07:22] <Zeno> CarlSwanson Al, I was being facetious. Trying to point
out it is ludicrous to point fingers yet. Grow up!
[07:22] <ShowTime> KenBz, I'd be worried
[07:22] <Blake> I/me prays for all those wasted lives
[07:22] <Joeve> Yeah Carl, and Vince Foster was murdered, right?
[07:22] <JGM36> 21KenBz, best wishes
[07:22] * Blake prays for all those wasted lives
[07:22] <WindyCity> KenBz-he's ok. really.
[07:22] <juleee> unidentified aircraft headed towards VA
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[07:22] <Aurora> JGM36 ~~~~~ PixyStix ~~~~ Al ~~~~ ThangDrinkingCoffee
~~~~ Wender ~~~~
[07:22] <Stevetalk> what will this do to the ecomony?
[07:22] <ShowTime> KenBz does he have a pager?
[07:22] <alphabuck> back.....dan rather says theres a report theres
one more hijacked plane in the eastern corridor?
[07:22] * CarlSwanson would be so bold as to ask the chatters to see who
is making the most reprehensible comments here, and they aint the "right
wing" by a long shot...
[07:22] <SharpEye> juleee, source?
[07:22] <Stevetalk> Aurora, hi
[07:22] <LindaWS> WindyCity a tower has collapsed, hopefully survivors
were evacacted
[07:22] <juleee> KenBz, you can't call nyc
[07:22] <Aurora> Stevetalk ~~~~
[07:22] <smirks> EXPLOSTION AT THE CAPITOL...AND THE OLD EXECUTIVE
OFICE BUILDING WAS ATTACKED ..THAT'S THE BUILDING ON G STREET
[07:23] <Joeve> Stevetalk: W will call for more tax cuts for the rich
to aid in the fight against terrorism
[07:23] <LindaWS> CarlSwanson this is great sadness for your country
[07:23] <ShowTime> oic juleee , makes sense
[07:23] <Al> Zeno---I doubt that--It wouldn't surprise me if you really
believed that
[07:23] <Aero> south tower has collapsed
[07:23] <juleee> they are worried about smoke inhalition thou
[07:23] <PixyStix> Zeno...TV Abu Dabi reported that the PLF has taken
responsibility. But, that's all I know. Husband is monitoring worldwide
media/communications.
[07:23] <Laura> LindaWS, if folks were trapped in smoke in that tower,
how could they get out?
[07:23] <zz> smirks oh my god.. where did you hear that?
[07:23] <Stevetalk> Joeve, what?
[07:23] <katrina`> Laura they jumped
[07:23] <juleee> Laura, good possibility
[07:23] <CarlSwanson> LindaWS, hell, I am more concerned about the
innocent people in the middle east who are going to die for this act
[07:23] <KenBz> julee - I can't call his cell phone and no one is
answering at his office. I don't know whether I'm rooting for him to be
evacuated or not, given that the tower collapsed. I'm scared out of my mind
about this
[07:23] <ShowTime> Laura we say hundreds die when it collapsed no
doubt
[07:23] * smirks .. zz..I'm 4 blocks away from the old executive office
building
[07:23] <SharpEye> I would guess the Death toll is about 50,000 already
[07:23] <Joeve> Stevetalk, well, he'll use any excuse to ask for that,
why not this?
[07:23] <LindaWS> CarlSwanson .. can we go forward with helping the
poor, not being so greedy , cant we stop this
[07:23] <Laura> ShowTime, I think you're right :(
[07:23] <Blake> places in the middle east will be smoked for this
[07:23] <smirks> THIS IS WAR
[07:23] <zz> smirks.. oh my god
[07:24] <JGM36> 21It's far too early to make an economic assessment.
The USA is a rich nation that can survive these things.
[07:24] <ShowTime> KenBz i think he's fine, but can't move right now,
they are taking care of the injured
[07:24] <alphabuck> blake...i sure as heck hope so
[07:24] <Aero> afk
[07:24] <ShowTime> 1000 workers have converged on the WTO for the
injured
[07:24] <Twoputt> A car bomb has exploded outside the state dept.
in DC.
[07:24] <PixyStix> smirks...bite your tongue.
[07:24] <Zeno> PixyStix. and in these kinda of events many people
take responsibiltiy. I am just trying tompoint out it is waaaay to early
to say who did it.
[07:24] <Nancy> A carbomb outside the State Dpmt exploded in Washington
[07:24] <Stevetalk> Joeve, hundreds of people have just died, can
you forget politics for a moment.......maybe say a prayer
[07:24] <smirks> PixyStix...call it whatyou want
[07:24] <Joeve> smirks: maybe W will send the Texas Rangers baseball
team to do battle
[07:24] <rip-rap> who do we declare war on ?
[07:24] <Spammi> How can anyone joke?
[07:24] <Wender> rip-rap, exactly
[07:24] <clay45> this is what you get with someone incapable like
bush in office folks.........
[07:24] <PixyStix> smirks...this is not a time to go off half-cocked...looking
for blood and revenge.
[07:24] <Zeno> Al. and maybe you also actually believe Bin Lden did
it. See Al, that's the point isn't it. Which side are you taking?
[07:24] <katrina`> idiot should never have been alowed in the white
house, he had no respect for it
[07:25] <Al> Zeno---Bin Laden is capable of it
[07:25] <rip-rap> CNN is backing away from explosion at capitol
[07:25] <Spammi> Al, he sure is.
[07:25] <SharpEye> 4ALL INBOUND FLIGHTS TO US DIVERTED TO CANADA !
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[07:25] <tom3> Nuke Afghanistan
[07:25] <alphabuck> i for one am glad gw is at the helm during this.
[07:25] <Blake> Time to pull together, get some resolve, and take
Bin Laden OUT!
[07:25] <KenBz> the sick people who are using this as a happy horsemanure
opportunity to attack Bush should see a doctor
[07:25] <SharpEye> 4ALL INBOUND FLIGHTS TO USA DIVERTED TO CANADA
!
[07:25] <Al> Ken---even a doctor couldn't help this crowd---
[07:25] <Joeve> Get real, Stevetalk: maybe if W was the REAL President
it might be different...and of course if teh REAL President, Al Gore, was
currently in office, you and all the other Freepers would be blaming him
[07:25] <rip-rap> all flight is prohibitted in the US until 5PM
[07:25] <JGM36> 21Al Haig is on foxnewz
[07:25] <juleee> a car bomb explosion outside of State Dept
[07:25] <cosmo> alphabuck, now we'll really see what Shrub is made
of.
[07:25] <Stevetalk> car bomb hit state department
[07:25] <Joeve> Of course I want to see when they start blaming CLinton
[07:25] <ShowTime> LindaWS must appreciate all our flyers
[07:25] <tom3> did al haig say he's in charge??
[07:25] <Blooming2000_Dad> US Military deployed andall commercial
flights ordered to land
[07:25] <Wender> lol
[07:25] <Joeve> Or Condit
[07:25] <katrina`> why isn't the military doing anything, this has
only been going on for what 3 hours
[07:25] <ShowTime> lol Joeve , it will happen!
[07:26] <Wender> tom3 ROFL
[07:26] <xstanx> DJN: *DJ Car Bomb Explodes Outside US State Department
- Official
[07:26] <JGM36> 21tom3, haha]
[07:26] <go_> KenBz??? where is your son?
[07:26] <Nancy> tom3 well a bit of levity - no Rove did
[07:26] <Spammi> kat, that's what I'm puzzled about.
[07:26] <tom3> g o d d a m n it
[07:26] <alphabuck> cosmo...yep
[07:26] <Witch> international flights are being sent to canada
[07:26] <ShowTime> they is another hijacking
[07:26] <Joeve> the NY Times server is slow as heck, millions must
be logging in
[07:26] <SharpEye> 12ALL INBOUND FLIGHTS TO USA DIVERTED TO CANADA
!
[07:26] <alphabuck> nice of canada to allow that
[07:26] <ShowTime> and we're sending all international arrivals to
canada
[07:26] <Nancy> katrina` all planes are being grounded so they can
take over the air over the entire country
[07:26] <Spammi> Actually, yes, we'll see if shrub is a leader...I
hope I'm wrong, and I hope he rises to the occassion.
[07:26] <SharpEye> 4We will be in Martial Law by Sundown
[07:27] <JGM36> 21I don't like the way Haig pronounces the word "against"
[07:27] <tom3> sharpie, did your militia buddies do this??
[07:27] <Stevetalk> CNN headquarters should be under guard too
[07:27] <clay45> can our military function without the pentagon?
[07:27] <ShowTime> Spammi the people around him will rise to the occasion:)
[07:27] <PixyStix> Oh SharpEye...stop that. This is a dark day...let's
have cool heads prevail.
[07:27] <SharpEye> tom3, up yours pal
[07:27] <Spammi> ShowTime, I sincerely hope so.
[07:27] <ShowTime> lol tom3
[07:27] <KenBz> go - he works within two blocks of the world trade
center. Given the sick nature of some people in here right now, I won't
say where
[07:27] <JGM36> 21clay45, yes
[07:27] <Stevetalk> SharpEye, you may be right as far as new york
goes
[07:27] * Spammi is grateful her brother no longer works in NYC
[07:27] <tom3> sorry, sharpie, i'm in no mood for sex right now
[07:27] <rip-rap> unreal
[07:28] <xstanx> second building they are saying might fall
[07:28] <Joeve> This only proves how utterly stupid and wasteful SDI
is...suppose those planes had nukes aboard them...
[07:28] * ShowTime makes notes to stay at least 2 blocks away from the WTC
to avoid ever meeting KenBz
[07:28] <Bubble> riley morning
[07:28] <zz> my god .. street shots in NYC.. it looks like a ghost
town
[07:28] <JGM36> 21Hi Riley
[07:28] <Nancy> PixyStix don't kid yourself about martial law being
declared - it ALREADY was declared for the WTO meeting
[07:28] <go_> KenBz....oh boy....I pray he didn't get injured from
the falling building
[07:28] <juleee> spammi, my son is headed for NYC now, he works for
nyc EMS
[07:28] <Spammi> zz, amazing, isn't it? NYC.
[07:28] <Blooming2000_Dad> When I see all of the ranting in #cnn_newsroom
I am glad our leaders have cooler heads and will wait until the shock wears
off before making retaliatory decisions.
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[07:28] <NCRICH> This had to be well planned. Where has the FBI, CIA
and all the other investigative agencies being doing, sitting on their butts?
[07:28] <tom3> they're telling everyone in lower manhattan to walk
north
[07:28] <Spammi> juleeee....wow
[07:28] <go_> oh no
[07:28] <rip-rap> whoa!!!!
[07:28] <zz> tower colapsing
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[07:28] <tom3> jesus
[07:28] <Nancy> the rest of the WTO has fallen
[07:28] <xstanx> second one is falling
[07:28] <ShowTime> second tower collapsed
[07:28] <Spammi> Rich, what a good question and one I wonder about.
[07:28] <rip-rap> what cheap-ass buildings
[07:28] <juleee> both building has now collapsed
[07:28] <Pame> The second town just collasped????????
[07:29] <alphabuck> domestic air travel will never be the same. theyll
be treating a 100 mile commuter flight no differently than travel to syria
[07:29] <ShowTime> more deaths
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[07:29] <ShowTime> yes Pame
[07:29] <SharpEye> 4SECOND TOWER COLLAPSES
[07:29] <ShowTime> the first tower that was struck
[07:29] <Twoputt> Oh goodness.
[07:29] <Blake> 12 The ENORMITY of this has not even set in yet
[07:29] <ShowTime> wow a whole new view in NYC
[07:29] <JGM36> 21How fortunate that this attack didn't happen on
December 31, 1999
[07:29] <juleee> Guiliani could be in there
[07:29] <Blake> 12 2nd tower gone!
[07:29] <juleee> suppose to be bomb proof
[07:29] <Zeno> OHMIGAWD!
[07:29] <cosmo> Equivalent to Pearl Harbor, Blake
[07:29] <katrina`> the other tower just collapsed
[07:29] <ShowTime> there's pandamonia right now
[07:29] <tom3> 4 THIS MEANS WAR!!!
[07:29] <SharpEye> WTC IS GONE
[07:29] <PlagueRat> Car bomb outside of State Department
[07:29] <Spammi> NYC died.
[07:29] <ShowTime> yes tom3
[07:29] <Zeno> My company had a meeting in the Second tower today
:(
[07:29] <juleee> oh god
[07:29] <BigBadWolf> The World Trade Center is gone
[07:29] <SharpEye> 4 The WTC IS GONE !!!
[07:30] <JGM36> 21Hi Saline
[07:30] <ShowTime> a whole new skyline in NYC
[07:30] <juleee> no more
[07:30] <Spammi> Anyone else crying?
[07:30] <ShowTime> yes it's gone shooby
[07:30] <PolarNoid> both buildings down..
[07:30] <PlagueRat> We just got toned.
[07:30] <ShowTime> SharpEye
[07:30] <PlagueRat> BYE
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[07:30] <Riley> Tom.........not necessarily
[07:30] <Zeno> 4 this is WAR!
[07:30] <ShowTime> Saline !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:30] <rip-rap> welcome to the new urban renewal
[07:30] <Pame> Spammi I am.....
[07:30] <SharpEye> I would guess the Death toll is about 100,000 already
[07:30] <tom3> if bid laden did it, we should nuke afghanistan
[07:30] <ShowTime> Saline , war is declared on the US
[07:30] <BigBadWolf> :-(
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[07:30] <juleee> this is horrible
[07:30] <rip-rap> all your trade center are belong to us
[07:30] <tom3> who got banned??
[07:30] <Spammi> Whoever did this...should pay....dearly.
[07:30] <ShowTime> is that me shooby ?
[07:30] <ShowTime> ok, no, eh
[07:30] <ShowTime> yes Spammi
[07:30] <JGM36> 21REPORT... there may be another hijacked plane headed
for DC
[07:31] <cosmo> I lot of innocents will pay too Spammi. Unfortunately.
[07:31] <Blake> 12 HIJACKED PLANE HEADING TO WASH!!!
[07:31] <Riley> Spammi......absolutely
[07:31] <cosmo> I=A
[07:31] <Zeno> What are we going to do?
[07:31] <tom3> spammi i'm crying inside
[07:31] <JGM36> 21Brian Wilson on foxnewz
[07:31] <Spammi> cosmo, that's why I'm crying
[07:31] <PixyStix> tom3...please stop that...please. I fear a vengeful
reaction that will only cause greater tragedy...and escalate this thing
into who-knows-what.
[07:31] <ShowTime> Blake it will be shut down
[07:31] <Keystone^> FBI is responsible for protecting us from this.
Too bad they are so busy chasing Hate crimes and church burnings.
[07:31] <rip-rap> zeno, i am gonna have another donut
[07:31] <tom3> sorry, pixy, i'm just so angry and frustrated
[07:31] <cosmo> Keystone^, shove it
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[07:31] <SharpEye> 12I would guess the Death toll is about 100,000
already
[07:31] <go_> Hijacked plane on way to DC
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[07:31] <Keystone^> Cosmo, Well its true. They are spread too thin.
[07:31] <PixyStix> tom3...I'm just sick inside...and afraid of what
lies ahead. :-(
[07:31] <go_> NOW
[07:32] <SharpEye> Go, YIKES.
[07:32] <ShowTime> i heard that go_
[07:32] <alphabuck> whos reporting the dc plane?
[07:32] <go_> see FNC
[07:32] <KenBz> I just got a call from my son's girlfriend - she spoke
to my son and he's walking home, on 15th st, far away from the disaster,
thank god 1000 times over. he's been trying to call everyone, and she was
the first he got through to
[07:32] <zz> PixyStix how long have I been saying.. we are in the
unraveling .. headed towards the next crisis..
[07:32] <Sharonelle> Man o man - this is really something
[07:32] <alphabuck> unreal how that building just imploded
[07:32] <JGM36> 21More people will die because of the smoke than because
of the explosions.
[07:32] <Spammi> Well....I think it's fair to say.....the world will
be different after today.....and our country will be too.
[07:32] <Zeno> How many of us here, will have lost someone in NYC
today?
[07:32] <ShowTime> where is smirks
[07:32] <Al> Ken great news
[07:32] <cosmo> I'm happy for you KenBz.
[07:32] <go_> KenBz....thank God! :)
[07:32] <ShowTime> smirks , take shelter there
[07:32] <Pame> Ken....thank God Ken your son is OK.....sincerely.....
[07:32] <alphabuck> whos reporting the dc plane?
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[07:32] <zz> JGM36 that is what I asked quite a while ago.. how can
you live inside that smoke?
[07:32] <Stevetalk> Hello maggie
[07:32] <rip-rap> this is just what Saturday Night Live predicted
when W won the white house
[07:32] <Spammi> Ken, I'm glad. Really. This is no time for bickering.
[07:32] <Pame> My daughter in law is in Chicago.....I want her to
go home NOW......
[07:32] <PixyStix> hello maggie
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[07:32] <JGM36> 21Thank God, KenBz
[07:32] <tom3> this was a orchestrated attack, the work of professionals
[07:32] <Zeno> rip-rap :(
[07:33] <Spammi> tom3, indeed.
[07:33] <cosmo> bbl
[07:33] <rip-rap> next thing we will here is the Great Lakes are on
fire
[07:33] <CarlSwanson> maggiejo, good day to be in Austrailia...
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[07:33] <maggiejo> Stevetalk hello
[07:33] <maggiejo> ixy hello
[07:33] <Blake> Will the jets shoot down the hijacked plane?
[07:33] <JGM36> 21Hi RiRi
[07:33] <Spammi> Hi, Ri.
[07:33] <KenBz> Does anyone in his right mind still think we're safe
because the USSR isn't there anymore? Does anyone in his right mind still
think that you can negotiate with people who fanatically believe they get
eternal glory if they kill you?
[07:33] <maggiejo> shooby hisya
[07:33] <ShowTime> the'd better Blake
[07:33] <Laura> KenBz, Thank God, I'm very happy for your son's safety...
[07:33] <RiRi> hi JGM
[07:33] <maggiejo> hiya
[07:33] <Pame> Blake they will have to......
[07:33] <alphabuck> yea there would be peace in the middle east and
the conference on racism would have ended differently if al gore was prez
[07:33] <RiRi> hiya Spammela
[07:33] <rip-rap> yes, they will shootdown and plane that does not
respond to orders
[07:33] <KenBz> LEARN something from this absolute devastation.
[07:33] <BigBadWolf> There are reports of another high-jacked plane
headed for Washington?
[07:33] <Bubble> maggie / RiRi
[07:33] <Keystone^> Alphabuck, LOL
[07:33] <shooby> hi Iris
[07:33] <tom3> jesus
[07:33] <CarlSwanson> Di :(
[07:33] <RiRi> hiya bubble, shooby
[07:34] <Anders> :(
[07:34] <Pame> Car bomb has exploded at the State Department......
[07:34] <Bubble> hi Di
[07:34] <Di> Carl... I'm sobbing. :(
[07:34] <Pame> RiRi, shana maidalyn!
[07:34] <rip-rap> all I know is that my SS Check better not be late
next month
[07:34] <BigBadWolf> America is under attack!
[07:34] <ShowTime> {{{{{{{ Di }}}}}}}
[07:34] <KenBz> My wife's office has two or more people with family
who work in or near the twin towers. They're terrorstricken and I don't
blame them
[07:34] <Sharonelle> Hi, Di LTNS
[07:34] <maggiejo> bubble hello
[07:34] <JGM36> 21Hi Di, Anders
[07:34] <ShowTime> i'm worried about smirks, the plane is heading
to his city
[07:34] <Pame> Show where is smirks?.......
[07:34] <Di> People in the other rooms are actually gleeful about
this. They are taunting us. It's horrible.
[07:35] <Pame> He was here a bit ago.....
[07:35] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> 5hi JGM! Di!
[07:35] <Keystone^> Military aircraft flying over DC. Notice not over
other cities. Not enough Pilots or planes.
[07:35] <RiRi> pame..zeise punim
[07:35] <Blake> My God, you realize as many as 30,000 people may have
died
[07:35] <LindaWS> RiRi, :)
[07:35] <Spammi> Di...nothing like THAT to pull us all together. WE
are bigger and stronger than any of them.
[07:35] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> Blake: could be more :(
[07:35] <Pame> Keystone, Dobbins AFB just emptied out a little bit
ago.....
[07:35] <Anders> I have no words.... it's amost like USA is under
some kind of attack.
[07:35] <shooby> Di : we dont act like that in here, thank God
[07:35] <LindaWS> Blake 2 towers are down, that may be conservative
estimate
[07:35] <RiRi> morning Linda
[07:35] <KenBz> almosyt?
[07:35] <Spammi> Anders, we are
[07:35] <SharpEye> 12I would guess the Death toll is about 100,000
already
[07:35] <ShowTime> matt lauer is crying
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[07:35] <LindaWS> Riley . not a good morning.. condolences
[07:35] <Laura> Anders, we ARE under attack
[07:35] <clay45> a highjacked plane crashed in somerset county pa
[07:35] <ShowTime> it's in his voice
[07:35] <Spammi> shooby,no, we don't.
[07:35] <Keystone^> This is why we need a militia.
[07:35] <LindaWS> aircraft headed to dc or nyc are rerouted to canada
[07:35] <Laura> ShowTime, all the anchors I've heard have shaken voices
[07:35] <LindaWS> I am freakednow
[07:35] <Spammi> Yes, he is, Showtime. I don't blame him.
[07:35] <Sharonelle> Ap says car bombing at State department
[07:36] <LindaWS> canadian airports are taking american flights
[07:36] <SharpEye> 12ALL INBOUND FLIGHTS TO USA DIVERTED TO CANADA
!
[07:36] <Di> To hell with the constitution, I wish CNN would ban people
who are gleeful about this tragedy. It's so dispicable.
[07:36] <KenBz> sharpeye - you love this, don't you. This is just
great to you, isn't it? You are one sick sick thing. I have trouble calling
you human right now
[07:36] <Zeno> SharpEye that many?
[07:36] <ShowTime> LindaWS all overseas flights are diverted to canada
[07:36] <clay45> the local pa tv station says a highjacked plane has
crashed in somerset co pa
[07:36] <Al> Right now the main concern has to be the victims of the
bombing----
[07:36] <SharpEye> Zeno, yes, I would think so
[07:36] <Anders> what is it about those airplanes
[07:36] <LindaWS> ShowTime , yes my husband works in the city centre
so does my son
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[07:36] <Zeno> SharpEye. wow
[07:36] <Anders> emtied from the air base
[07:36] <alphabuck> clay45..wow. shot down maybe?
[07:36] <Twoputt> In Boston the Hancock and Prudential Towers have
been evacuated.
[07:36] <Anders> is there some military threat there too???
[07:36] <LindaWS> cant you people get along, for heavens sake this
is a terrible disaster
[07:36] <ShowTime> know how you feel Di
[07:36] <Zeno> Is Bush up to this?
[07:37] <LindaWS> Zeno no
[07:37] <Keystone^> Lets hope New Yorkers don't take advantage of
situation and begin rioting and looting.
[07:37] <Spammi> Zeno, his people better be.
[07:37] <ShowTime> Zeno the people around him are
[07:37] <tom3> how could three airplanes be hijacked on the same day???
what the hell happened to airport security???
[07:37] <LindaWS> his goofy face offers no leadership
[07:37] <LindaWS> car bomb at state dept
[07:37] <Spammi> All he needs to do is show up.
[07:37] <alphabuck> tom3...thats why they highjacked domestic flights
[07:37] <LindaWS> where is clinton?
[07:37] <rip-rap> airport security has been a well guarded yth
[07:37] <LindaWS> is Clinton ok?
[07:37] <ShowTime> right tom3 , why wasn't it reported to the atc
[07:37] <rip-rap> airport security has been a well guarded myth
[07:37] <tom3> September 11, 2001, a day that will live in infamy...
[07:37] <LindaWS> we need Clinton
[07:37] <PixyStix> Oh my...report of 747 down in PA
[07:37] <Twoputt> tom3, It's easy to hijack an airplane if you want
to... you don't need to take any weapon on board.
[07:37] <LindaWS> rip-rap no kidding
[07:37] <Spammi> tom3, I told my kids...they are watching history
:<
[07:37] <ThangDrinkingCoffee> wb Aurora!
[07:37] <Sharonelle> Unconfirmed that a plane is down in Penn per
CNN
[07:37] <LindaWS> PixyStix what?
[07:38] <JGM36> 21Hi Aurora
[07:38] <PixyStix> Linda...that's all I know
[07:38] <alphabuck> i be they shot that plane down in PA if thats
in fact true
[07:38] <LindaWS> Pa? pennsylvania?
[07:38] <Aurora> ty, ThangDrinkingCoffee ty JGM36
[07:38] <PixyStix> Linda...yes
[07:38] <Anders> penn?
[07:38] <ShowTime> i wish the media would get away from WTC
[07:38] <Zeno> I have to go to work. I just heard some of my coworkers
were in the WTC :(
[07:38] * LindaWS is freaked
[07:38] <rip-rap> i hope the Hershey plant is safe
[07:38] <CarlSwanson> zeno, good luck
[07:38] <Aurora> Zeno :-((((
[07:38] <LindaWS> Zeno .. I would guess that we will each share this
grief
[07:38] * ThangDrinkingCoffee has been freaked since an hour ago
[07:38] <Di> Oh, Zeno, I'm so sorry.
[07:38] <ShowTime> Zeno lots of tourists where there
[07:38] <Sharonelle> rip-rap - I hate Hershey chocolate - it's full
of wax
[07:38] <Anders> zeno, oh god.........
[07:38] <go_> 80 mi SE of Pittsburgh....PLANE DOWN
[07:38] <JGM36> 21fox confirms plane crash 80mi SE of Pittsburg
[07:38] <LindaWS> condolences everyone
[07:38] <Spammi> Zeno :< Take care...that is awful.
[07:38] <LindaWS> go_ what?
[07:38] <Keystone^> Rip-Rap, It is , Hersey had missle defense. They
can shoot almonds out smoke stacks.
[07:38] <Al> My cousin's husband works in that area---oh man
[07:38] <CarlSwanson> Sharonelle, hear hear!! hehehe....
[07:39] <go_> LindaWS....watch FNC
[07:39] * Zeno is shking a lot
[07:39] <Zeno> bi
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Session Start: Tue Sep 11 19:48:54 2001
[19:48] *** Now talking in #News_Cafe
[19:48] *** Topic is 'Blood Donations Needed in NYC, Donate at Any Red
Cross Center '
[19:48] *** Set by Melodyy on Tue Sep 11 13:47:13
[19:48] -Bot- Welcome to the Cafe -- a less formal room created for and
by members of the CNN Community.
[19:48] -Bot- Please adhere to the CNN Community Code of Conduct.
[19:48] <Keen> m ca no we dont. we have free speech here. nice try,
numbnuts
[19:48] <Zeno> Hi
[19:48] <DanielBSC> Did we learn nothing from our WW2 mistake of
placing American citizens of Japanese-heritage in "camps". Just
because someone is from the middle east and the persian regions does not
automatically make them a terrorist. This nation is founded on principals
of justice. How is justice served by testing nuclear weapons on the followers
of the Taliban regime as I saw quoted here. This wasn't just an attack
on the US, it was an attack on humanity.
[19:49] <Brianna> hi Zeno
[19:49] <Socrtease> Carl, always. we may even getted heated at tims
but debate and dissagreement is what makes this country better than all
others
[19:49] <asa250> hey Zebo
[19:49] <Havoc> ^5 Spammi
[19:49] <Thang> Spammi: what are they searching for?
[19:49] <Jed> RANTAGONE - I hope for your sake you don't live anywhere
near Kabul!
[19:49] <T-DES> Zeno, hey there!
[19:49] <Thang> hi Zeno!
[19:49] <Zeno> hi Brianna
[19:49] <JGM36> Hi Zeno
[19:49] <DanielBSC> It was meant to bring fear and to demoralize.
[19:49] <Zeno> hi Thang, T-DES
[19:49] <Sonia> M_ca, good point
[19:49] <float> Beowolfs...it is very important we treat the countries
that help terrorists the same as the terrorists themselves
[19:49] <Havoc> Jed: Why?
[19:49] <Glenlivet> bohunky ... not all Americans are gun hugging
radical right wing "patriots" ... whose motto is kill 'em all
and let God sort it out.
[19:49] <bohunky> cosmo: must be a record
[19:49] <float> Hi Zeno
[19:49] <Zeno> hi JGM36
[19:49] <Zeno> hey float
[19:49] <neezel> Jed, it would be tooo easy
[19:49] <JimL> float, if Bush peed his pants, you'd say that you
supported that too.
[19:49] <asa250> is there still a Kabul?
[19:49] <Spammi> Thang, not sure. Apparently some people there have
ties to people they are looking at....I guess as suspects
[19:49] <jan> Daniel: yes. keep talking. people need to to learn
this.
[19:49] <Beowolfs> float, I have reason to believe that I know who
was behind this attack. I have reason to know who contribvted what.
[19:49] * Zeno wades in to the discussion
[19:49] <Brianna> lol JimL
[19:49] <LaDiva> Zeno, welcome
[19:49] <Zeno> PlagueRat howdy
[19:49] <Keystone^> Daniel, Bush won't do what FDR did and put Arab
Americans in Consentration camps.
[19:49] <Beowolfs> float, I agree
[19:49] * CarlSwanson passes the hat to start a collection for so we can
buy RANTAGONE a nice condo right near the Presidential Palace in Kabul...
[19:49] <JimL> hi Zeno :)
[19:49] <Jed> Havoc - We need a debater....
[19:49] <Zeno> thanks LaDiva
[19:49] <bohunky> cosmo: if that's true, rare as it would be, then
no palestinians will be killed becuz of it
[19:49] * Socrtease is a gun hugging radical left wingger
[19:49] <Thang> Spammi: I see!
[19:49] <Zeno> good to see you JimL
[19:49] <Havoc> Jed: Ah. ;)
[19:49] * Glenlivet tosses Zeno back into the gallery
[19:49] <float> JimL....you're just out of touch dude...you should
have been closer to the explosion.
[19:49] <LaDiva> 4 Do not discuss chatters who are not present.
[19:49] <neezel> Zeno, I hope you can wade deep!!!!
[19:50] <Spammi> Zeno...was everyone ok with your company?
[19:50] <bohunky> Jed: a Master one?
[19:50] <ron_s> hey Zeno
[19:50] <Pixelau> I have a Post Office box.
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[19:50] <Spammi> Thang, they were vague.
[19:50] <M_Ca> van with explasives just stopped!
[19:50] <MountainMonk> Bot, unfortunately I do. We are a tabloid
nation. americans don't give a damn if Israel were to annihilate every
Palestinbian on earth. You dehumanize your victim, you call him a savage
and a terrrfoist, you control very large sectors of the worlds medfia,
you can get away with genocide with a smile, and noone gives a damn. Yes,
I knopw America too damn well.
[19:50] *** LaDiva sets mode: +b *!*@130.67.74.fB12=
[19:50] *** RANTAGONE was kicked by LaDiva (LaDiva )
[19:50] <Keen> keystone can you avoid talking politics for one day
or are you incapable of doing that?
[19:50] <Spammi> Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, LaDiva!
[19:50] <DanielBSC> I know that Keystone... I'm just surprised by
those who want to just randomly kill to "solve" terrorism.
[19:50] <Zeno> Spammim. it appears they were ok afterall, They misssd
a cab and were late
[19:50] <M_Ca> on the George Washington bridge
[19:50] <cosmo> he's not present now. lol
[19:50] <Brianna> M_Ca, where???
[19:50] <MountainMonk> sorry Bot, lol
[19:50] <Brianna> k
[19:50] <JGM36> THANK YOU LADIVA
[19:50] <Spammi> Zeno, thank goodness
[19:50] <JGM36> Bless You
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[19:50] <neezel> laDiva clap, clap, clap
[19:50] <CarlSwanson> keen, actually, on that score, it;s about
10 to 1 from your side on this...
[19:50] <Zeno> hi ron_s. I know you are in New York. good grief!
[19:50] <Pixelau> M-C> where'd you hear that?
[19:50] <JimL> float, you think reality is only what you see on
your TV.
[19:50] <Thang> Spammi: seems very vauge, but I guess at this time,
they would take any micro lead!
[19:51] <Zeno> Spammi. sometimes luck has a lot to do
[19:51] <bohunky> really pisses me off the lies about Israel attacking
Palestinians. Read any Arab paper anyday of the week & see the hatred
of Israeli people
[19:51] <Spammi> Thang, they aren't saying much.
[19:51] <ron_s> Zeno, I'm in PA now actually, but its still scary
as hell
[19:51] [JGM36 SOUND]
[19:51] <cosmo> neezel, you are English, right? Living in Germany?
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[19:51] <bohunky> Israel doesn't attack palestinians
[19:51] <neezel> Cosmo Yah, why?
[19:51] <float> ron_s it's amazing we cut all flights immediately
[19:51] <MountainMonk> bohunky, I'm not one sided on this, but I
will say this. the occupation is the root cause.
[19:51] <Spammi> bohunky, right. They defend themselves against
Palestanians who attack them.
[19:51] <KenBz> The Jew haters (I didn't say Israel, because it's
not restricted to Israel for many of this bunch) are out in force tonight.
This must be a wonderful opportunity in their eyes
[19:51] <cosmo> neezel, just curious about your use of the english
language.
[19:51] <M52CT> this is just a nightmare
[19:51] <Aero> FBI headed to George Washington Bridge ... van may
have explosives
[19:51] <Keen> carl right now all i see is crap from keystone but
im curious what you think "my side" is. surely you dont think
i'm on the same "Side" as these jew hating left wing clowns?
[19:51] <LaDiva> 4 You can read CNN's Community participation guidelines
at http://cnn.com/discussion/standards.html for clarification of chat
room standards.
[19:52] <float> aero eh?
[19:52] <ron_s> float, I think it was right to do that.
[19:52] <float> Aero...when?
[19:52] <bohunky> MountainMonk: are u talking about occupation or
attacking....or do u know?
[19:52] * Thang remembers that neezel is living in Frankfurt.....and there
is no good junk food
[19:52] <jan> neezel: are you an American?
[19:52] <Aero> float right now
[19:52] <Spammi> Bill Richardson is saying it's the son of Bin Ladin....
[19:52] <Keen> ken its never just israel, its jews whereever they
are
[19:52] <float> Aero..what network?
[19:52] <Sonia> Keen, free speach ha? you support it? didn't you
just suggest that I find a chat room in palestine? and you claim you support
free speech?
[19:52] <M_Ca> Israel is practicing religious apartheid, and commiting
genocide in its greed for the land.....Sharon is a war criminal, on a
par with milosevich......and belongs on trial in the Hague
[19:52] <MountainMonk> KenBz. I'm not that, I'm just someone who
stands up and says what needs to be said./ You can't keep the iron fikst
on a people forever, and expect no consequences.
[19:52] <Laura> Aero, source?
[19:52] <Aero> MS NBc
[19:52] <LaDiva> Folks, big news - this isn't about Israel tonight.
[19:52] <JimL> I think Bin Laden is paying back the Bush family
for the Gulf War.
[19:52] <Keen> sonia yes. people like you who hate america can find
your own chat rooms
[19:52] <Aero> MS NBC too
[19:52] <float> Aero..hmm.
[19:53] <Keen> ladiva it is to the jew haters
[19:53] <Spammi> M_Ca, if this is how Palestanians act, they are
people to be feared. It would be the same in this country, if we had people
who routinely attacked innocents.
[19:53] <Zeno> LaDiva. This is certainly bigger than OKC
[19:53] <Roger_A> LaDiva, to a couple, it's always about the Jews..
always..
[19:53] <float> thanks I'll check it out
[19:53] <Beowolfs> JimL, Bin Laden couldn't have pulled this off
alone.
[19:53] <Aero> float see it?
[19:53] <MountainMonk> LaDiva, unfortunately, this crap is ALWAYS
aboiut Israel.
[19:53] <Keystone^> FBI agents have been pulled from Gun Control
investigations and are finally working to prevent more terrorism.
[19:53] <float> I"m gonna go look now..thanks Aero
[19:53] <bohunky> the "dirty American" has gotten very
dirty today & He's gonna sweep some floors. its gonna be fair but
it aint gonna be pretty
[19:53] <float> Night folks
[19:53] <cosmo> Aero, good use of the censor buster :)
[19:53] <jan> JimL: funny, but they weren't anywhere near those
buildings today.
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[19:53] <Beowolfs> Aero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:53] <Pixelau> Night float
[19:53] <Laura> gonna go watch the tube, later folks :)
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[19:53] <LaDiva> Zeno, of course it is :(
[19:53] <CarlSwanson> JimL, who was he paying back for the Khobar
Towers and the two embassy bombings?
[19:53] <Sonia> Keen, I am american. just because I do not agree
with you that makes me something else? is this also part of your definition
of free speech?
[19:53] <JimL> Sonia, would you say that about Christians on account
of McVeigh?
[19:53] <Roger_A> Hi Zeno
[19:53] <Aero> Beowolfs hey
[19:53] <Roger_A> Beoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[19:53] <Zeno> LaDiva. I doubt they will turn the WTC site into
a memorial
[19:53] <Zeno> Hi Roger_A
[19:53] <cosmo> rogooooooooooooooooooooo
[19:53] <Beowolfs> Roger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:53] <Cali_Gal> Was McVeigh a Christian?
[19:53] <Roger_A> Cosssssssssssssssmo
[19:53] <Sonia> M_ca, in a perfect world, Ariel Sharon would have
been in the Hague two decades ago
[19:54] <snaily> What if it turns out white supremacists did this..
we'll have to discuss racism
[19:54] <Keen> sonia i think its time i stop wasting my time talking
to a jew hater.
[19:54] <KenBz> Mountain - I didn't mean you personally. But now
that you mention it, what "Iron fist" would that be? Palestinian
Arabs are in a declared state of war with Israel, and Israel's response
has been to give them land, fund their "police force" (paramilitary
force in truth) and provide jobs for them that their Arab brothers would
never give them.
[19:54] <ron_s> I think I'm gonna head to watch the tube for now
too....later folks
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[19:54] <Beowolfs> snaily, forget it
[19:54] <Roger_A> cya ron
[19:54] * CarlSwanson wonders how this act is going to affect the Afghanistani
refugees on that cargo ship? Anyone going to take them now?
[19:54] <Thang> good night ron_s!
[19:54] <Spammi> White supremists would target minorities.
[19:54] <Keen> kenbz never enough
[19:54] <snaily> How much resources does it take to get on a plane
with a plastic knife anyway
[19:54] <M_Ca> Spammi......i repeat....THIS IS HOW MADMEN ACT, AND
WHAT MADMEN DO. Nationalities did not do this to us, A Religion did not
do this to us....a race did not do this to us.....MADMEN DID!
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[19:54] <KenBz> Sonia- In a perfect world you would have married
Von Ribbentrop. Too bad for you, but you can't have everything
[19:54] <CarlSwanson> snaily, all it takes is pants... and a plastic
knife
[19:54] <Keen> lol kenbz
[19:54] <Keystone^> McVeigh saw an injustice and took action. We
may not like the action, but that is facts.
[19:54] <bohunky> MountainMonk: no this isn't about Israel directly
& I apologize cuz I brought it up about Arafat. It was just a humorous
side remark & I probly shouldn't have
[19:54] <LaDiva> M_Ca, that's right.
[19:54] <Spammi> M_Ca, and their followers celebrated in the streets.
[19:54] <Sonia> keen, ya, just when you lost the argument, how convinient.
[19:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heart
[19:55] <CarlSwanson> heart!
[19:55] <MountainMonk> CarlSwanson, Bin Ladens beef isn't identical
to the Palestinians. His beef is American forces in his homeland, which
he consdiers sacred ground. He has common cause with the Palestinians,
but not for the same reasons.
[19:55] <T-DES> wb heart
[19:55] <heart> hi CarlSwanson
[19:55] <Keen> lol the jew hater just cant stand being ignored
[19:55] <Beowolfs> snaily, It's not the weapons. It's the timing,
the selection of the planes and the execution. YOu are totally clueless
[19:55] <LaDiva> Oh puhleeeeezzzzz, McVeight took action over what
injustice? Good lord.
[19:55] <LaDiva> McVeigh
[19:55] <Spammi> I have nothing against those who also find this
reprehensible.
[19:55] <Keen> poor poor jew hater
[19:55] <JimL> Keystone, gosh...I can't believe you would defend
McVeigh.
[19:55] <Pixelau> It seems like everything is in slow motion. Maybe
becuse they just keep showing NYC burning ... burning .....
[19:55] <Roger_A> Keystone^, then you must support this action.
Interesting.. and as usual, inane.
[19:55] * Aero wonders where the heros are even if they had knives
[19:55] <Keen> ladiva my reaction exactly
[19:55] <JGM36> Sonia, in a "perfect world", it wouldn't
be necessary to declare a Jewish state because the rest of the world would
accept Jews.
[19:55] <bohunky> But the righteous anger is welling up in patriotic
good, charitable Americans today & the line has been drawn.
[19:55] <Keen> roger exactly
[19:55] <snaily> The news said Osama has 25,000 followrs
[19:55] <KenBz> It's amazing how far this bunch will go to contort
a rationale for murderous terrorists
[19:55] * Zeno begs people NOT to jump to conclusions. Remember OKC and
Atlanta
[19:55] <heart> looks like I came in just in time...
[19:55] <CarlSwanson> Aero, you see the jets around the Capital
Building today? :(
[19:55] <jan> Mountain: color me ignorant, but Bin Ladin doesn't
have a 'land'
[19:55] <LaDiva> Just when I think my stomach can't be turned further,
we get the *SAINT TIMOTHY MCVEIGH* post.
[19:55] <Spammi> That was small potatoes considering this, Zeno.
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[19:55] <Beowolfs> Aero: Might I suggest that they showed up in
the plane that crashed in Penn>
[19:55] <DanielBSC> bohunky... both the people of Israel and Palestine
are simply humans. They are, just as the people in Ireland, hoplessly
spiraling from centuries of feudal hatred. They no longer, nor likely
ever will, view each other as brothers and sisters on this planet. There
is no justification any longer for the killing that anyone does to another
for the sake of land, posessions or religion. What happened today made
me physically ill with grief for the massi
[19:55] <T-DES> Zeno...good point....
[19:55] <Sonia> being against the killings of 11 year old children
makes me a jew hater? what a bigoted post you just did
[19:55] <MountainMonk> bohunky, we all hope for the peace of Jerusalem.
I know I do at least.
[19:55] <Aero> CarlSwanson missed em
[19:56] <Spammi> LaDiva...argh....must be on my ignore list...glad
I missed that one.
[19:56] <Havoc> The most happy American today -------- Gary Condit.
Safe.
[19:56] <JGM36> snaily, something tells me he doesn't have a big
enough bunker
[19:56] <Keen> kenbz and you wonder why i am always so happy to
dissasociate myself from these left wing nuts
[19:56] <Blake> I think McVeigh was justified in being angry over
Waco, but not justified in his bombing
[19:56] <Keystone^> Roger, Actually you can understand why people
do what they do without supporting what they do. I understand why Bin
Ladin would do this. I don't support it.
[19:56] <Zeno> Spammi. indeed. but we just don't know who did this
yet.
[19:56] <T-DES> wb Melodyy
[19:56] <CarlSwanson> Havoc, uncool man... not today
[19:56] <Glenlivet> Spammi ... so your logic is it's okay to be
really, really wrong ... why not find out the facts first?
[19:56] <T-DES> wb NCRICH
[19:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Melodyy
[19:56] <Spammi> Havoc, he is certainly out of the headlines! :)
[19:56] <Melodyy> Hi, T-DES :)
[19:56] <CarlSwanson> Melodyy!
[19:56] <Keen> sonia what makes you a jew hater is your hatred of
jews. i dont know or care what you think about anything else
[19:56] <JGM36> Hi Melodyy, NCRICH
[19:56] <Havoc> CarlSwanson: Yea...that was out of line.
[19:56] <Thang> hi Melodyy!
[19:56] <Melodyy> Hi, Carl
[19:56] <Roger_A> Keystone^, but you support McVeigh's actions?
[19:56] <Melodyy> Hello, JGM36
[19:56] <jan> Sonia: do you hate jews?
[19:56] <Melodyy> Thang!!!!!
[19:56] <KenBz> how did the 11 year old get killed? Because the
child was targetted specifically, or tragically in the wrong place at
the wrong time? Palestinian suicide bombers are targetted SPECIFICALLY
to children and women. If you can't see the difference, then you're what
you appear to be
[19:56] <MountainMonk> did someone say the 'C' word? :(
[19:56] <Keen> roger you just nailed him
[19:56] <M_Ca> Spammi.....well? wonder why we have so many enemies......our
foreign policies are rather inhuman, don't you think? maybe that has something
to do with it.......not that anything justifies the killing of innocents......but
we support just such acts daily with our finances and policies....
[19:56] <cosmo> Havoc, not out of line, just tacky. ;)
[19:56] <CarlSwanson> Havoc, not as bad as most today,, this is
just too sad to play with...
[19:56] <NCRICH> ty T-DES, Hi JG...
[19:57] <heart> T-DES ...who hates me....I am a nice guy....
[19:57] <Pixelau> I guess Paula Zahn just joined today.
[19:57] <CarlSwanson> Conservative?? who????????????
[19:57] <Keystone^> Roger, No, I understand McVeigh's actions,
[19:57] * Zeno notes that the US planned for all kinds of high tech terrorism,
chemical, biological, pack bacl nukes. But knives and airplanes?
[19:57] <Havoc> cosmo Yup
[19:57] <bohunky> Daniel: I agree.....but war is hell & aggression
is naturally resisted. Religion strongest of cultures has no doubt faulty
influences
[19:57] <Keen> roger great job
[19:57] <LaDiva> <--- thought perhaps the several dead 11 year
old Palestinian children were being discussed for a minute.
[19:57] <jan> Zeno: pretty pathetic, huh?
[19:57] <MountainMonk> Pixelau, nah, she started two days ago, early
morning.
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[19:57] <Sonia> Keen, by the same token, I can call you an arab
hater....even better, anti humanitarian
[19:57] <Spammi> M_Ca, this is different. No other country kills,
with no regard to our innocent lives or even the lives of their own people.
[19:57] <Zeno> jan. the US only thoiught of things the US would
and could use
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[19:58] <Keen> sonia you can call me whatever you want,. the difference
is i have expressed no anti arab sentiment so you will just look like
a moron for calling me that
[19:58] <cosmo> Spammi, there is precedent
[19:58] <jan> Sonia: out of curiousity, what is your national origon?
[19:58] <Keen> but be my guest
[19:58] <JGM36> Spammi, untrue.
[19:58] <M_Ca> it happens every day spammi.....and our country,
your tax dollars and mine support it.....
[19:58] <JimL> Spammi, curious...NATO bombed an awful lot of civilians
[19:58] <Pixelau> M> oh, i only saw her .... seems like all evening
...
[19:58] <Beowolfs> nighters
[19:58] <JGM36> And plenty of precedent.
[19:58] <Keen> night beo
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[19:58] <Havoc> <--- Was somewhat "Anti-Arab". Is now
100% ANTI ARAB. And doesn't really care who knows it.
[19:58] <Spammi> M_Ca, JimL, they weren't aiming for them. We aren't
perfect, but we aren't like THAT.
[19:58] <Zeno> LaDiva, Israeli dead since the escalation 130, Palestinian
dead, 600
[19:58] <jan> Zeno: just like Tom Clancy said today. Too much Artificial
Intel and not enough Human Intel
[19:58] <MountainMonk> Hatch says he has intercepts from associates
of Bin Laden....'FOX'
[19:58] *** EdC is now known as Ed-CNN
[19:59] <Thang> hey, I remember someone here said what good it is
to know martial art when they can own a gun
[19:59] * CarlSwanson reminds the room that in the 1960's, lots of planes
were hijacked with knives,, we put armed Sky Marshalls on planes as a
result. We need to put armed security agents on our domestic flights again,
plain and simple. no pun intended
[19:59] <Zeno> jan thinking only INSIDE the box
[19:59] <Spammi> Zeno, now we have Americans dead....20,000???
[19:59] <LaDiva> Zeno, yes, I'm aware of the numbers, and often
mention them myself. However, the dancing in the streets really upset
me today.
[19:59] <JimL> Spammi, it's foreseeable when conducting an airwar,
and NATO did so anyway.
[19:59] <jan> Thang: who said that?
[19:59] <Zeno> Spammi. probably. At least 800 at the Pentagon
[19:59] <Thang> heck, if I were on that plane, I could easily take
out that guy with a knife
[19:59] <KenBz> This is exactly the happy horsemanure I expect from
people who can't find anything Palestinians do wrong, and can't find anything
Israelis do right. I keep waiting for them to find some Israeli act of
defending itself that's ok, but they never seem to.
[19:59] <Keen> havoc im just anti murdering scum nutjobs. it just
so happens that many of them are arab. those are the arabs i hate as well
as the cowards who pass out candy and sweets when israelis and americans
are killed
[19:59] <M_Ca> Spammi.....i suppose it depends whether you are watching
it on tv or experienceing it first hand from the recieving end....
[19:59] <Spammi> JimL, again, we are not perfect. Not by any means.
[19:59] <LaDiva> Spammi, exactly. Why in the WORLD are we discussing
Israel/Palestine?
[19:59] <MountainMonk> CarlSwanson, I agree completely.
[19:59] <Keystone^> Jan, Yep. We used to have hundreds of informats
in the Middle East. That was before congress released their names during
Iran-Contra investigations. This could have been prevented.
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[19:59] <Melodyy> 6,15 It is now estimated that at least 800 !!!
are dead in the Pentagon alone!!
[19:59] <Thang> jan: some pro-gun people
[19:59] <jan> Zeno: yes
[19:59] <DanielBSC> But we must also ask the more uncomfortable
question: Why do the terrorists
[19:59] <DanielBSC> hate Americans so much? The answer is well known
to many. It is nothing
[19:59] <DanielBSC> short of a revelation to others. It is an affront
to some.
[19:59] <Spammi> M_Ca, we experienced it today.
[19:59] <LaDiva> <-- can find plenty wrong with both sides.
[19:59] <Melodyy> 800!!!
[19:59] * neezel thinks its time for bed for me 5 am and tmorow is another
day I hope. Take care people, and...sorry, theres no easy way to say this,
sorry for the nightmare of today- you are not alone folks
[19:59] <Zeno> LaDiva. it isn't pretty,
[19:59] <Melodyy> 800!!!
[19:59] <MountainMonk> CarlSwanson, we have to make sure those matials
can be readily identified though.
[19:59] <JimL> Spammi, we're willing to kill civilians when we feel
justified. :(
[20:00] <Melodyy> 800!!! in the Pentagon!!
[20:00] <LaDiva> Zeno, not at all :(
[20:00] <MountainMonk> martials
[20:00] <Zeno> Melodyy at least
[20:00] <Spammi> JimL, yes, I agree :< I know :<
[20:00] <Roger_A> KenBz, most of the chatters here aren't taking
that line. Just one or two, and they are sick individuals who are worth
nothing but pity.
[20:00] <jan> nite neezel
[20:00] <Melodyy> Zeno I know. :((
[20:00] <Havoc> Keen: Yep. I agree.
[20:00] <LaDiva> neezel, goodnight
[20:00] <bohunky> nite neezel..god bless
[20:00] <Keen> havoc >D
[20:00] <CarlSwanson> MountainMonk, yuppers.. and no Rent a Cops...
US Marshalls and FBI agents,,,,
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[20:00] <Spammi> Nite neez
[20:00] <KenBz> Roger - they're worth nothing but pity? I agree
with everything but the last two words
[20:00] <CarlSwanson> smirks :(
[20:00] <Spammi> Hey, smirkies
[20:00] <DanielBSC> First, we are a major world power, and with
that power always comes resentment from the less powerful. Furthermore,
the powerful almost always abuse some of their power by the sheer size
of it. It is not intentional. It
[20:00] <JGM36> Terrorists hate Americans because of their support
for Israel.... pure and simple
[20:00] <DanielBSC> is usually inadvertent. But it is still very
real. This is normal in the history of the world.
[20:00] <Pixelau> I just cn't believe that SomeOne wasn't alerted
that this was going to happen. Don't we have anymore spys?
[20:00] <Glenlivet> CarlSwanson ... no one seems to reconize how
devastating this will be economically
[20:00] <JimL> some might say that makes us terrorists too, Spammi.
:)
[20:00] <T-DES> smirks, greetings!
[20:00] <Zeno> 12 Will Congress declare martial law or declare WAR
tomorrow?
[20:00] * Thang *resmirks* at smirks
[20:00] <smirks> hey CarlSwanson
[20:00] <Sonia> Keen, I do? aren't you the one who is absolutely
sure this is a Saudi attack? here are some facts to adjust for your ignorant
posts. Usama ben Ladin is an exciled Saudi. what he does does not represent
the psotion of the Saudi government. Furthermore, Saudi Arabia is a US
ally. did you watch the news during the gulf war? we attacked Iraq, not
Saudi Arabia
[20:00] <M52CT> i hope they leave the part of the facade still standing
as a memorial
[20:00] <Roger_A> Ok KenBz, contempt..
[20:00] <neezel> nite jan, LaDiva, Spammi an all!!! take care of
yourselves....and each other ok?
[20:00] <Spammi> JimL, I'm sure they do think so.
[20:00] <smirks> hi Spammi
[20:00] <MountainMonk> CarlSwanson, see, we can work all this business
out, right here in News Cafe. :)
[20:00] <smirks> hey T-DES
[20:01] <Spammi> neez, you too :)
[20:01] <LaDiva> neezel, absolutely
[20:01] <jan> Glen: we'll realize it when the stock market opens
again.
[20:01] <CarlSwanson> Glenlivet, I was talking about that a while
back.... we are talking hundreds of billions
[20:01] <Melodyy> Night, neezel
[20:01] <KenBz> Roger - You don't understand. "they're worth
nothing" says it all
[20:01] <JimL> I'm not sure what the difference is
[20:01] <neezel> nite Melodyy
[20:01] <Thang> good night neezel!
[20:01] <Pixelau> Where is "Intelligence"?????
[20:01] * smirks *resmirks* back at Thang
[20:01] <neezel> you too thang
[20:01] <Keen> sonia you must be blind. i never said this was a
saudi attack. try to read better please. you just end up looking like
more of a moron
[20:01] <Roger_A> Ok KenBz, a moment of agreement..
[20:01] <Keystone^> Journalist have no troulbe finding Bin Ladin.
[20:01] <JGM36> "Osama bin Laden", "exiled",
"position"
[20:01] <Glenlivet> CarlSwanson .. that is the tip of the iceberg
... world trade was destroyed today.
[20:01] <boiler> Zeno,,,Nort says,Bush will declare war on Bin Laden
tomorrow
[20:01] *** Melodyy changes topic to 'A Time For Healing and to Pull Together!
'
[20:01] <cosmo> 800 dead at the Pentagon. dang, the damage didn't
look all that bad. how many people work at the Pentagon?
[20:01] <LaDiva> 4 Folks, please leave off the personal insults.
Take a deep breath.
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[20:01] <DanielBSC> Our nation and corporations have a rather tragic
record of often supporting an abusive foreign government in order to keep
our capitalistic interests insured abroad. This means that we inadvertently
abuse the downtrodden and the poor in other parts of the world. Yes, we
might want to help them through creating employment in an underprivileged
region, or by offering military aid, but often that employment is at almost
slave wages, and the military help
[20:01] <MountainMonk> Glenlivet, you expect more attacks?
[20:01] <bohunky> Its my fault...I brought up Arafat...Isr/Pal isn't
an issue today...division/bickering does not befit us today
[20:01] <Havoc> cosmo: 24,000
[20:01] <LaDiva> cosmo, many thousands
[20:01] <T-DES> Zeno.....interesting point about how far the US
will react.....and how this may affect our freedoms and privacy....
[20:01] * Spammi will brb...more coffee...will be a long night
[20:01] <boiler> nort = North
[20:02] <M_Ca> confirmed FBI on the way to a van filled with explosives
stopped on the George Washington Bridge.....
[20:02] <LaDiva> over 20,000
[20:02] <jan> bioler: can you declaree war on one person?
[20:02] <heart> later folks....this has been a long day...Carpe
Diem....GW Bridge...Possible truck with explosives.....it may not be over
[20:02] <Thang> cosmo: 24,000
[20:02] <JGM36> Keystone, yeah, too bad the journalists aren't on
our side.
[20:02] <CarlSwanson> 2 Considering the devastating financial loss
this incident is going to lead to, a war might well be the only way to
rescue the economy. War is Good Business... invest your son's and daughters.
[20:02] <Glenlivet> MountainMonk ... it wouldn't surprise me
[20:02] <bohunky> jan: yep
[20:02] <Keystone^> JGm, Yep.
[20:02] <CarlSwanson> heart, be well
[20:02] <Zeno> T-DES. I do NOT want the US to be turned into a cloxed
society like Israel
[20:02] <T-DES> heart..yikes!!!!!
[20:02] <JGM36> bye Heart
[20:02] <bohunky> 3rd President declared war on pirates
[20:02] <Sonia> Keen, no dear, you called it a Saudi attack first.
then you changed your mind
[20:02] <boiler> jan,,what North said,he said the third president
did it
[20:02] <JGM36> "closed"
[20:02] <Keen> sonia i said that bin laden is a saudi. nice try
[20:02] <Roger_A> CarlSwanson, my nephew was recently discharged
from the Army Reserves. I'm glad he's out for his sake.. and ours.. :)
[20:02] <bohunky> was it pirates????....who was it?
[20:02] * Havoc thinks more attacks are on the way
[20:03] <JGM36> That's what "shores of Tripoli" means,
BTW
[20:03] <Zeno> 12 Should the draft be enabled?
[20:03] <MountainMonk> CarlSwanson, that is so old economy! Modern
warfare is expensive, and huirts theeconomy. It's only a kick if you don't
have hardware and a standing army to begin with. :)
[20:03] <Cali_Gal> Havoc, I agree.
[20:03] <jan> hey Notty.....;o(
[20:03] <JGM36> Hi NottyHead, Veritas
[20:03] <CarlSwanson> Roger_A, if I was ten years younger, I would
have enlisted today. Seriously
[20:03] <Roger_A> Zeno, nope.
[20:03] <T-DES> Zeno.....perhaps a better example might be England
reaction to IRA......
[20:03] <Keystone^> Bohunky, Better say who the third President
was. Many people who went to public schools don't know.
[20:03] <Veritas> hey JGM36
[20:03] <Cali_Gal> Veritas, wb!!
[20:03] <bohunky> We can declare war on terrorists in general...nothing
in Constitution sez we can't
[20:03] <NottyHead> Hi jan
[20:03] <T-DES> hey there, NottyHead!
[20:03] * smirks has a uniformed secret service car trolling the parked
vehicles on massachusetts ave..checking liscense plates..every vehicle
I can see lives here... but they're checking
[20:03] <NottyHead> Hi JGM36
[20:03] <Zeno> 12 If the draft is enabled, should women be included?
[20:03] <T-DES> wb Veritas
[20:03] <M_Ca> i suspect there is another shoe that will drop......i
wonder how it will manifest? Biological (viral agents) car bombs?
[20:03] <Veritas> thanks Cali!
[20:03] <PlagueRat> Shortly after taking office Dubya said that
he planned to stop taking phone calls at 9 PM and to be in bed my 11 PM...
I wonder if he's in bed now.
[20:03] <JimL> Havoc, do you think if we identified the killers,
and took them out, there will still be more attacks?
[20:03] <Havoc> Cali_Gal: Every towel head in the country with fertilizer
and a truck is deadly now.
[20:03] <NottyHead> Hey T-DES
[20:03] <DanielBSC> These things in no way cause us to condone the
act of terrorism, but it helps us to understand the motivation of the
terrorist. In turn, this can help us to really solve the problem.
[20:03] <MountainMonk> CarlSwanson, that is so old economy! Modern
warfare is expensive, and hurts the economy. It's only a kick if you don't
have hardware and a standing army to begin with. :)
[20:03] <Roger_A> CarlSwanson, Many would join you.. but I would
need to be 20 years younger.. lol
[20:03] <jan> Havoc: that is dangerous talk
[20:03] <Havoc> jan: Truthful talk.
[20:03] * smirks ... can you say AfGONEistan?
[20:03] <JGM36> Zeno, I can't support the idea of the draft for
women in the USA
[20:04] <Pame> Anyone want to fly tomorrow?
[20:04] <MountainMonk> Roger_A, yep, I'm 8 years too old for military
service.
[20:04] <CarlSwanson> MountainMonk, call me a throwback to the good
old days of the Military Industrial Complex.... :)
[20:04] <bohunky> Keystone: uh, Adams?....I forget
[20:04] <NottyHead> So what seems to be the acceptable consensus?
Declare war?
[20:04] <SharpEye> 4 800 Lbs of Explosives stopped headed to NYC
[20:04] <Keen> if bin laden is behind this we need to take him out
ASAP. his money is financing these cowardly attacks
[20:04] <Veritas> martial law in a couple of weeks
[20:04] <T-DES> howdy, SharpEye!
[20:04] <smirks> hey SharpEye
[20:04] <jan> havoc: are all italians in the mafia?
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[20:04] <Keystone^> Bohunky, LOL
[20:04] <Roger_A> hi SharpEye
[20:04] <MountainMonk> CarlSwanson, lol.
[20:04] <Spammi> Pame, oh, yes! I love to fly anyways under *normal*
circumstances! (not)
[20:04] <JGM36> Hi SharpEye
[20:04] <Thang> Pame: depend on how high and how far
[20:04] <Glenlivet> NottyHead .. against whom?
[20:04] <bohunky> Keystone: but if u tell me his name I can see
his face
[20:04] <Havoc> jan: I don't really care about the mafia or Italy
right now.
[20:04] <SharpEye> hi everyone :(
[20:04] <JimL> MM, we don't get the economic bang for your buck
(pardon the pun) with defense spending that we do with social spending,
but it still primes the economy.
[20:04] <MountainMonk> SharpEye, where did you get that peice of
info?
[20:04] * Zeno thinks the defense budget will increase now
[20:04] <Thang> hi Sharpeye!
[20:04] <smirks> fire actually still burning at the pentagon
[20:04] <Havoc> SharpEye
[20:04] <Keystone^> Bohunky, Well, Think of Sally Hemmings.
[20:04] <Sonia> Zeno, yup. Dumya found an excuse
[20:04] <SharpEye> MountainMonk, ms nb c
[20:04] <smirks> 100 to 800 dead inside the pentagon
[20:04] <NottyHead> Glenlivet: Bin Laden and anyone that we can
prove has supported him and his organization.
[20:05] <jan> havoc: i was making a point about your generalization
regarding American Arabs.
[20:05] <smirks> pewr arlington county fire department
[20:05] <Zeno> Sonia, it will be hard to oppose an increase now
[20:05] <CarlSwanson> SharpEye, what was it, Rosie O's lunch?
[20:05] <MountainMonk> SharpEye, and who was carrying it, Dupont?
[20:05] <LaDiva> 4 Folks, this is a real time for some circumspection.
Please refrain from spreading rumors - the Internet's a bad place for
this.
[20:05] <Glenlivet> NottyHead .. how do you know it was Bin Laden
... he denied responsibility.
[20:05] <SharpEye> CarlSwanson, Truck bomb
[20:05] <Keen> those taliban kooks will have to hand over bin laden
if we ask for him
[20:05] <bohunky> Keystone: oh yeah Billy
[20:05] <MountainMonk> man, I have a bad feeling about this...
[20:05] <Keen> lol he denied responsibility. yes the trustworthy
bin laden.
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[20:05] <Keystone^> Bohunky, Close, Both have Jefferson in their
names.
[20:05] * smirks ... can you say AfBANGistan?
[20:05] <Havoc> jan: Look. Being "reasonable" and "politically
correct" has cost probably 20,000 lives today. I'm not doing the
PC thing any longer.
[20:05] <CarlSwanson> Many people on the news today were concerned
that an ambulance would be used as a bomb....
[20:06] <MountainMonk> LaDiva, you don't believe that one, he cited
a source?
[20:06] <tlb> mountain, a bad feeling is the proper attitude for
a war.
[20:06] <Veritas> terrorist activities may continue
[20:06] * smirks ... maybe AfPOOFistan?
[20:06] <bohunky> Keystone: billy is nick for William
[20:06] <snaily> NBC says 1000 die in pentagon
[20:06] * Zeno moons the terrorists
[20:06] <LaDiva> MountainMonk, I'm just making a general statement
- we've had a lot of rumor-mongering today.
[20:06] <Veritas> stock market comes to a halt.
[20:06] <JGM36> The song that we know of as "Yellow Rose Of
Texas" was once sung as a slanderous attack against President Thomas
Jefferson.
[20:07] <jan> Havoc: but that type of thinking could cause more
innocent deaths.....be reasonable, man!
[20:07] <MountainMonk> LaDiva, that we have, most of it coming from
the tube, not in here. :)
[20:07] <Pixelau> oh no, "at least 800 dead, injured reported
at Pentagon" it says
[20:07] <SharpEye> k4AT LEAST 800 REPORTED DEAD AT PENTAGON
[20:07] <smirks> Arlington county Fire Department put the number
at 100 to 800 dead in the pentagon
[20:07] <Thang> Zeno: don't make them angry again
[20:07] <bohunky> actually there's no better place for rumours than
the internet
[20:07] <Keystone^> Well I don't think Daschle, Gepheart and Hillary
will oppose CIA funding now.
[20:07] <SharpEye> 4AT LEAST 800 REPORTED DEAD AT PENTAGON
[20:07] <smirks> moments ago
[20:07] <LaDiva> MountainMonk, yep, which is fine - but we've had
reports of ICBMs being fired, among other things.
[20:07] <Pixelau> (oh, incl. those on the airplanes....
[20:07] <Sonia> jan, do not bother, he/she said he/she is an anti
arab, here ----> <Havo> <--- Was somewhat "Anti-Arab".
Is now 100% ANTI ARAB. And doesn't really care who knows it.
[20:07] * Spammi is crying again...they just showed a mother who had spoken
to her son from the air before his plane crashed :< Now...the brother
of one of the pilots :<<
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[20:07] <tlb> no, thats 800 dead AND injured. including the people
in tehairplane
[20:07] <Zeno> Thang :(
[20:07] <Keen> Go havoc!
[20:07] <smirks> yes, tlb
[20:07] <bohunky> JGM36: no way......really?
[20:07] <bohunky> how so?
[20:07] <Pame> Has ANYONE seen tribe today?.....has she been in?
[20:07] <JGM36> awww, Spammi... << hu>>
[20:07] <smirks> pentagon personnel dead is put at 100 to 800
[20:07] <LaDiva> Pame, yes, she was in a while ago
[20:07] <Spammi> Pame, a few times. She left.
[20:08] <smirks> yes..she was in this morning, Pame
[20:08] <kitty> tribe's been in and out
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[20:08] <Pame> OK....was concerned about her.....
[20:08] <bohunky> JGM36: her eyes as bright as diamond?
[20:08] <Pame> smirks how are things in DC?
[20:08] <Sonia> tlb, I am afraid this number will go up quickly
:(
[20:08] <Spammi> She's ok...just upset, Pame.....
[20:08] <Roger_A> Pame, yeah.. she's ok.. stressed, but ok.
[20:08] <jan> Spammi: i saw it too. this is too sad.
[20:08] <JGM36> bohunky, yep... Sally Hemmings was the "rose"
of Jefferson, according to the parody
[20:08] <Havoc> Sonia: We don't need 'reasonable" today. Save
that for the budget debate.
[20:08] <DanielBSC> smirks... I remember when everyone thought the
OKC bombing was a terrorist act by the middle east... It turned out to
be one of our own. Does anyone remember the Olympic park bombing?? I'm
not saying that I think an American pulled this off, in fact I do tend
to believe it would be something bin Laden would pull off -- especially
with his funding and how orchestrated the events took place... I just
think we should be wary of pointing fingers until fa
[20:08] <CarlSwanson> this is absolutely unbelievable....
[20:08] <smirks> Pame...quiet... very quiet..streets are deserted...
[20:08] <Pame> I think we're all stressed and tired and upset....
[20:08] <Spammi> jan, I can't believe they'd interview the families.....
[20:08] <tlb> sonia its possible, we'll see
[20:08] <Pixelau> Car> it is
[20:08] <Spammi> Pame, I just got new coffee. I know I can't sleep.
[20:08] <Pame> smirks here also, I was out for a short time a little
bit ago....
[20:08] <jan> Spammi: as sick as it is, people need to know.
[20:08] <Keen> we'll be pointing more than fingers at bin laden
if he did this
[20:08] <MountainMonk> I'll be up tonight. :(
[20:08] <Sonia> Havoc, ya, let's just act like a bunch of bigots,
is that your suggestion?
[20:09] <JGM36> bohunky, yes, I think you know the lyrics of today
[20:09] <bohunky> JGM36: wow!....I don't know what to think of that......ponder....hmmmmmmm....ponder...
[20:09] <Glenlivet> JGM36 ... only problem is ... Texas didn't exist
in Jefferson's days.
[20:09] <LaDiva> DanielBSC, agreed, it's important, no matter what
we may *think*, to measure the reaction until we KNOW who did this.
[20:09] <Spammi> jan, that's true...but give the families time...they
had nothing major to share....
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[20:09] <Havoc> Sonia: Call it what you want. Like I said, my political
correctness is over with. (What little I had)
[20:09] <T-DES> 0,12*** We encourage spirited debate, but PLEASE
direct your enthusiasm to the issues and not indulge in personal insults
or derogatory remarks to other chatters. Thanks. ***
[20:09] * Spammi puts Sonia on ignore too...not the night to start defending
those who prolly killed 20,000 or more Americans
[20:09] <Pixelau> My eyes are burning, but i know i'll be up again
tonight.
[20:09] <Sonia> being civilized is the same as political correctness?
[20:09] <Zeno> Imagine there's no heaven,
[20:09] <Zeno> It's easy if you try,
[20:09] <Zeno> No hell below us,
[20:09] <Zeno> Above us only sky,
[20:09] <Zeno> Imagine all the people
[20:09] <Zeno> living for today...
[20:09] <Keen> spammi and she claims to be an american
[20:09] * smirks DanielBSC... the jury is still out on OKC...Terry Nichols
was in the phillipines until the first week of april...he then went directly
to mcveigh upon returning to the US... you don't have all teh facts, either...
scold elsewhere
[20:09] <Pame> Airport security HAS to change!
[20:09] <JGM36> Glenlivet, the song existed before 1845 when Texas
was admitted to the Union.
[20:09] <bohunky> Glen: maybe Sally was a girlfriend of Jefferson's
mexican friend Tejas
[20:09] <Thang> go to sleep, MountainMonk! staying up will not fix
anything
[20:10] <Havoc> Spammi: She's probably defending Andrea Yates too.
I know her type.
[20:10] <jan> Spammi: i am so afraid to go to work tomorrow. i have
business associates in those buildings. one works on the 102nd floor of
the first building that was hit...
[20:10] <Keen> lol havoc
[20:10] <Pixelau> Zeno:) John Lennon
[20:10] <Zeno> Imagine there's no countries,
[20:10] <Zeno> It isnt hard to do,
[20:10] <Zeno> Nothing to kill or die for,
[20:10] <Spammi> Keen, if she is....she doesn't have much respect
for the lives of our people :<
[20:10] <bohunky> or just a mexican friend
[20:10] <MountainMonk> Thang, it's my temperament, can't be helped.
[20:10] <Spammi> Havoc, heh. I kind of defended Yates :) :P
[20:10] <Keen> spammi we dont need "americans" like that
[20:10] <Zeno> No religion too,
[20:10] <Zeno> Imagine all the people
[20:10] <Zeno> living life in peace...
[20:10] <bohunky> Zeno: not a good day for that sentiment
[20:10] <Glenlivet> JGM36 .. why don't you look up the date Jefferson
served as President ... you'll find it was Pre 1836.
[20:10] <Keen> they love our free speech and our supermarkets
[20:10] <jan> Pame: i agree. those people are half asleep.
[20:10] <Havoc> Spammi: Quit that.
[20:10] <smirks> pentagon wil be open tomorrow morning
[20:10] <Zeno> Pixelau Nothing is more appropriate right now
[20:10] <smirks> for business
[20:10] <Spammi> Keen, if they like Islam so much, let them give
it a try a live it.
[20:10] <CarlSwanson> 2 It would be nice to see the scroll in here
stop for a few seconds as we consider the people who lost wives, mothers,
sisters, fathers and brothers today, and those who will be lost as this
calamity plays out in the comming months. 13 A Moment of Silence, in respect
our fellow Americans who died and the loved ones they left behind.
[20:10] <Pixelau> you may say i'm a dreamer, but i'm not the only
one ....
[20:10] <Zeno> bohunky this is EXACTLY the time for it
[20:10] <Spammi> Havoc, lol.
[20:10] <Thang> MountainMonk: I know....but you still need to sleep
[20:10] <MountainMonk> Glenlivet, elected first time in 1800 in
fact.
[20:10] <DanielBSC> I'm not trying to scold, I trying to encourage
justice by knowing facts before we act.
[20:10] <smirks> *pray*
[20:11] <bohunky> Zeno: as in love ur enemy?
[20:11] <JGM36> Glenlivet, remember that many other songs.... God
Save The King, for example, were refitted with American lyrics.
[20:11] <Keen> spammi they can be muslims in the us.
[20:11] <Zeno> Imagine no possesions,
[20:11] <Zeno> I wonder if you can,
[20:11] <Zeno> No need for greed or hunger,
[20:11] <Glenlivet> MountainMonk ... Texas didn't come into being
until 1836
[20:11] <Zeno> A brotherhood of man,
[20:11] <Zeno> imane all the people
[20:11] <Zeno> Sharing all the world
[20:11] <Spammi> Keen, true.
[20:11] <jan> Carl: thanks....nice thought
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[20:11] <smirks> God Bless Them, Carl
[20:11] * Aero asks if anyone has any news on the 2 overseas inbound to
US flights that were suspected of being hijacked?
[20:11] <Zeno> bohunky, isn't that how Christ would want it?
[20:11] <bohunky> Zeno: no today is a day of consolation, prayer,
sorrow, help
[20:11] <Pixelau> oh ~~ oh ~~~
[20:11] <MountainMonk> Glenlivet, it was there, but a State of Mexico
(New Spain)
[20:11] <Thang> hi clay!
[20:11] <jan> Aero: say what?
[20:11] <Sonia> Spammi, ha? when did I defend them?
[20:11] <Zeno> bohunky and love
[20:11] <Pame> Aero, I just heard a plane flying, but it was VERY
high up......
[20:11] <JGM36> Glenlivet, the song that WE KNOW OF TODAY as "Yellow
Rose Of Texas" is from the 1700s.
[20:11] <Havoc> DanielBSC: Here's your "facts". Libya.
Afghanistan. Sudan. Iraq. Iran. Investigation over. Vaporize them.
[20:12] <asa250> Zeno...I feel the love.....even willing to "hug"
some of the repubs here....but not all....I still have some honor.
[20:12] <Sonia> Spammi, what post are you refering to?
[20:12] <Zeno> 12You may say Im a dreamer,
[20:12] <Zeno> but Im not the only one,
[20:12] <Zeno> I hope some day you'll join us,
[20:12] <Zeno> And the world will live as one.
[20:12] <Thang> Aero: nope ....sorry
[20:12] * smirks .. officially...the National Guard is patrolling the
streets in Georgetown and Downtown
[20:12] <clay45> hi
[20:12] <JGM36> The new LYRICS are from the 1800s.
[20:12] <bohunky> No, he healed hurts, raised dead, fed hungry,
He "said" forgive that u may be forgiven
[20:12] <MountainMonk> Thang, thanks, it's still early here. I'll
probably tire soon enough. :)
[20:12] <LaDiva> We celebrated our sesquicentennial in Texas back
in 1986.
[20:12] <Keen> spammi its more of a denial then a defense
[20:12] <Glenlivet> JGM36 ... actually it is a song about the Alamo
...
[20:12] <Aero> smirks did you ever get an update
[20:12] <Zeno> asa250. sometimes tragedy brings us together
[20:12] <Spammi> Gerald ford made a statement.
[20:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Brianna
[20:12] <DanielBSC> havoc where is your respect for innocent life?
[20:12] <Pixelau> hi clay45
[20:12] <Spammi> Keen, I knkow.
[20:12] <Thang> wb Brianna!
[20:12] <Havoc> DanielBSC: Gone.
[20:12] <Aero> Brianna ;)
[20:12] <Pame> Wow Brianna!......Congrats!
[20:12] <DanielBSC> 'cmon
[20:12] <Brianna> ty Thang
[20:12] <CarlSwanson> LaDiva, you and I are unique texans,, you
can spell it, I can pronounce it :)
[20:12] <T-DES> howdy, Brianna!
[20:12] <Brianna> thx Pame
[20:12] <LaDiva> CarlSwanson, hahaha
[20:12] <smirks> Aero..everyone stopped calling... I got no answer
in teh offices i called... I took a nap...
[20:12] <Brianna> Aero :)
[20:13] <Keen> spammi someone actually said how do we know it was
bin laden/ he denied responsibility. LOL
[20:13] <kitty> smirks is there marshall law in DC my nephew and
his fiance are safe in their apt
[20:13] <LaDiva> <--- can spell AND pronounce!
[20:13] <bohunky> Zeno: turn the other cheek when U are hit.
[20:13] <Brianna> Hey T-DES
[20:13] <JGM36> Glenlivet, the TUNE has been used with several sets
of lyrics.
[20:13] <MountainMonk> and I can say 'Dallas lost, SF won! Nah nah
nah nah...
[20:13] <CarlSwanson> LaDiva, a friend of mine almost choked trying
to say it once at Jim's Pier :)
[20:13] <Sonia> Zeno, well, this one seems to be taking us appart.
IF you do not agree with Keen, then you are not american and Spammi just
put me on ignore think that I support what happened today
[20:13] <Pixelau> wow, no commercial hijacked commercial plane in
ten years (1991)
[20:13] <Zeno> bohunky, I learned to forgive when my family was
killed. Have you learned to forgive?
[20:13] <Pame> Jesus, looking at a deserted LAX is REALLY creepy....
[20:13] <smirks> kitty .. not martial law exactly... but they'd
like us all to stay inside tonight... the mayor said Dc will be open for
business wednesday morning
[20:13] <LaDiva> That's sad - Barbara Olson was booked on the Monday
flight, but stayed in D.C. because today was her husband's birthday.
[20:13] <Keen> i didnt say you werent american. i say your a poor
excuse for an american
[20:13] <JGM36> LaDiva. I can back you up on HALF of that statement.
[20:14] <LaDiva> JGM36, what statement is that?
[20:14] <bohunky> Zeno: I hold nothing against anyone today
[20:14] <JGM36> AFAIK... you are quite excellent in your spelling.
[20:14] * smirks .. Barbara Olsen may have found that there IS hell to
pay for your actions
[20:14] <MountainMonk> Pame, wait until you get a gander of NYC
tommrrow.
[20:14] <bohunky> Zeno: does that mean I don't believe in social
justice?....nope
[20:14] <kitty> ok thanks they both work in fed bldgs near big targets,
whitehouse and state dept
[20:14] <LaDiva> JGM36, and my pronunciation is beyond compare :)
[20:14] <jan> smirk: so ture
[20:14] <asa250> the salvation army and red cross have funds for
victims....100% go to victims....
[20:14] <jan> true
[20:14] <bohunky> Zeno: do U?
[20:14] <smirks> what a ay to go
[20:14] <JGM36> Whether you can pronounce these grand words, I have
no idea.
[20:14] <Pixelau> brb
[20:14] <smirks> way
[20:14] <Keen> smirks she can no apologize to virginia kelley in
person
[20:14] <LaDiva> JGM36, and thank you (the polite response)
[20:14] <Keen> now
[20:14] <Pame> MM, I know.....horrible.....
[20:14] <Sonia> Keen, as you said, you are very "free speech"
oriented. and very tolerant of other opinions
[20:14] <CarlSwanson> smirks, it is well beneath you to say that...
I am surprised you would
[20:14] <LaDiva> JGM36, in seven languages *GRIN*
[20:14] <Zeno> boiler. I believe in justice.
[20:15] <smirks> Keen .. well...
[20:15] <bohunky> Zeno: was the perpetrator caught,convicted, sentenced?
[20:15] <smirks> CarlSwanson .. I was surprised at her, too
[20:15] <Keen> sonia you can say them and i can respond to them.
thats free s
[20:15] <bohunky> Zeno: where does forgiveness fit in ur justice?
[20:15] <smirks> Olsen wrote the book for money
[20:15] <Sonia> Keen, ya right
[20:15] <Keen> smirks some badass cosmic justice
[20:15] <aalfred> has the war started yet?
[20:15] <Zeno> Bot yes.
[20:15] <Zeno> bohunky yes
[20:15] <JGM36> LaDiv> Not including the Fourth Dimension Anne
Heche language?
[20:15] * Thang knows LaDiva can speak Icelandic
[20:15] <CarlSwanson> 4 unreal that some people in here are suggesting
Barbara Olsen deserved this... what kind of people come in here with that
crap?
[20:15] <smirks> Keen .. I don't argue with things like that
[20:15] <bohunky> Zeno: didn't u forgive them?
[20:15] <aalfred> Why is FEMA setting up in cities where nothing
happened?
[20:15] <Havoc> aalfred: Yes. It started at 8:40 this morning.
[20:15] <MountainMonk> Congress plans on doing alot of yakking tomorrow,
not much else. Maybe they can form another choir?
[20:15] <Keen> one of the producers of "Frasier" was on
the boston plane
[20:16] <Zeno> bohunky, yes I did.
[20:16] <LaDiva> JGM36, indeed not - my "Celestian" is
quite rusty.
[20:16] * smirks .. normal people
[20:16] <Keen> carl no one is saying that. lighten up
[20:16] <JGM36> Boogooo ruennttt leeeeacntl
[20:16] <LaDiva> Thang *GRIN*
[20:16] <Pame> Oh jesus christ.....I didn't care for Barbara Olsen,
but she was a HUMAN BEING and she was MURDERED!
[20:16] <DanielBSC> I agree Carl... that comment disgusted me.
[20:16] <JGM36> hehehe
[20:16] <jan> Carl: you're right. even i thought it. it's wrong.
[20:16] <CarlSwanson> un-freaking-real
[20:16] <bohunky> Zeno: & u argued for their freedom from guilt
& judgement?
[20:16] <aalfred> Pame..well, yeah
[20:16] <tlb> well NBC is sticking to the 800 dead in the pentagon
story
[20:16] <clay45> ashcroft says this was groups of 3 to 5......i
do not know but suspect families of passengers have been interviewed and
3 to 5 people per flight had no family here
[20:16] <LaDiva> CarlSwanson, people with zero compassion as human
beings.
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[20:16] <clay45> or no family concerned
[20:16] <aalfred> MountainMonk?
[20:16] <Keen> lol smirks
[20:16] <Roger_A> wb Zeno
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[20:16] <CarlSwanson> Anyone suggesting they are "human beings"
better have the DNA to prove it.
[20:16] <LaDiva> Olson's comments are not a concern here, or shouldn't
be - the woman died in a terrible fashion.
[20:16] <Pame> Actually, even though I never agreed with her, I
did admire her....
[20:17] <JGM36> Hi Zeno
[20:17] * smirks smirks LaDiva.. 'NUFF SAID there
[20:17] <snaily> at least she died instantly inthe end
[20:17] <Pame> LaD absolutely.....imagine her how her husband feels.......
[20:17] <aalfred> Barbara Olson deserved to be publically humiliated.
Not smashed into the ground.
[20:17] <CarlSwanson> Jesus... un real
[20:17] <LaDiva> smirks, fine, then say nothing
[20:17] <smirks> impossible to get into manhattan tonite
[20:17] <Zeno> thanks
[20:17] <MountainMonk> <aalfre> Why is FEMA setting up in
cities where nothing happened? <<< response to that
[20:17] <aalfred> smirks..why would anyone want to
[20:17] <jan> going to watch more tragic news. goodnight, friends.........God
Bless America
[20:17] <Jed> Pame, I'm with you...she was fun to watch debate....
[20:17] <JimL> I never agreed with her, found her opinions disgusting,
but don't like to see her killed.
[20:17] <kitty> I couldn't stand her and think her husband must
have been crazy to tell her the other planes crashed
[20:17] * smirks .. LaDiva.. I don't HAVE to
[20:17] <bohunky> Barbara may have given clues to who did this
[20:17] <Melodyy> LaDiva The thing that keeps running through my
mind is her husband's last memory of her voice.....whatever she may have
been saying at the last instant of her life....
[20:17] <Keen> pame as badly as all the other next of kin
[20:17] <LaDiva> Pame, the saddest part being she was supposed to
fly out yesterday, but stayed for his birthday this morning.
[20:17] <Pame> Jed yes she was.....
[20:17] <Havoc> MountainMonk: It ain't over yet.
[20:17] <tlb> Olson died with courage. she reported what was occurring
[20:17] * Zeno thinks we will find people who died were random.
[20:18] <Keystone^> Barbera Olsen was a hero today. The information
she gave will help lead to who is responsible.
[20:18] <Pame> Keen yes......LaD yes, I heard....
[20:18] <LaDiva> She died trying to help, if possible.
[20:18] <JGM36> Barbara Olson was wonderful as a panelist.... she
had some really tough questions that I wish someone would make Condit
answer.
[20:18] <Pame> She is an American Hero.....
[20:18] <Melodyy> Zeno AGreed. It wasn't the people; it was the
symbolism of the buildings.
[20:18] <Keen> zeno why would you think otherwise?
[20:18] <aalfred> MountainMonk..what did you say was the reason?
I'm afraid Bush and the VRWC will use this as an excuse to set up a police
state. With FEMA in the lead.
[20:18] * smirks tlb.. olsen called the solicitor general of teh US in
an attempt to save her own life
[20:18] <T-DES> Keystone^....I agree with you...
[20:18] <Zeno> Keen, I was sort of responding to how some people
say some deserved it.
[20:18] <bohunky> Barbara was to be on Politically Incorrect tonite.
She held off her flight yesterday until this morning to spend birthday
breakfast w/ her husband Ted
[20:18] <Roger_A> tlb, I agree. I disagreed with her on politics,
but admired her intelligence. She died courageously. I will miss her.
[20:18] <LaDiva> Good lord, the woman called her HUSBAND.
[20:18] <CarlSwanson> 4 I guess some people are so disassociated
from reality and society that they can joke about 20,000 of their fellow
Americans because they have "no close family connection"
[20:18] * smirks "wonderful panelist"... how about "wonderful
LIAR"
[20:19] <Pame> Roger, yes.....
[20:19] <LaDiva> smirks, no respect for the dead at all?
[20:19] <bohunky> It is Ted's birthday
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[20:19] * smirks .. I call them as I see them
[20:19] <Keen> zeno i dont think anyone in here really thinks that,
other than the america-haters
[20:19] <MountainMonk> aalfred, prepostioning? Only reason I could
think of... don't know about the police state thing, I consider us to
be under a usurper already, so...
[20:19] <JimL> yes, smirks...but she didn't deserve to die.
[20:19] <snaily> How can you criticiusm Barbara Olsen
[20:19] <Keen> i dont speak for those people
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[20:19] <clay45> what are you talking about carl
[20:19] <asa250> carl.....you are making a strong case to claim
the moral high ground.....it's not yours.
[20:19] <LaDiva> <--- had way too close a connection, but even
if I didn't, how can people be so crass?
[20:19] <Roger_A> smirks, she took a position, one you don't agree
with. That does not make one a liar.
[20:19] <aalfred> My father lives in DC and occassionally visited
the pentagon.
[20:19] <bohunky> Barbara was a feisty & noble conservative
advocate & respected by her liberal adversaries
[20:19] <LaDiva> smirks, you make yourself well-known in the room
by your words.
[20:19] * smirks .. death is a part of life.. it is NOT sacred
[20:19] <aalfred> MountainMonk..yep
[20:19] <MountainMonk> snaily, I can criticise her very easily,
but I won't, because she's dead.
[20:19] <Zeno> Keen. maybe. You don't know who did this heinous
act yet now do you.
[20:19] <Cali_Gal> smirks, maybe someone will remember that on your
special day. sheesh.
[20:20] <JimL> smirks, she died a very unnatural death
[20:20] * Thang was near death once.....a very short time ago
[20:20] <bohunky> life is sacred....death is .....who knows.....tragic
[20:20] * smirks smirks LaDiva.. TROLL AWAY... put me on ignore.. just
GO AWAY..
[20:20] <LaDiva> Thang, and we're so glad you're here.
[20:20] * smirks smirks LieDiva
[20:20] <aalfred> They are doing serious price gouging. I am so
glad I just happened to get gas yesterday
[20:20] * Melodyy hugs Thang...... I'm so glad you're HERE!
[20:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skullhunter
[20:20] <Pame> Thang honey, so glad you're ok now.....
[20:20] * smirks never adressed you, LaDiva... skip me
[20:20] <Melodyy> Hiya, Skullhunter
[20:20] *** Skullhunter sets mode: -o Skullhunter
[20:20] <Pame> Skull honey!
[20:20] <Keen> zeno nope
[20:20] <LaDiva> smirks, no trolling, I find your crassness about
people's deaths to be horrid. But you're entitled to tell us more.
[20:20] <T-DES> bohunky.......good comment...
[20:20] <Skullhunter> hi Melodyy
[20:20] * Thang is glad to be here
[20:20] <Skullhunter> heya Pame hon
[20:20] * Abolish_Death-and-Taxes hugs melodyy
[20:20] <Glenlivet> LaDiva ... anyone who loves Bush is a fool to
think this will make those who hate him so deeply love him.
[20:20] <Melodyy> Abolish_Death-and-Taxes ty :)
[20:20] <LaDiva> Abolish_Death-and-Taxes, welcome
[20:20] <aalfred> Will Bush allow the price gouging, the free market
on gas, or will it be stopped
[20:20] * Zeno reminds people not to jump to conclusions
[20:21] <aalfred> $5 a gallon
[20:21] <Keen> lol things are back to normal. left wingers vs right
wingers with some jew haters on both sides
[20:21] <CarlSwanson> in the past, the RIGHT in here has some pretty
whacked, fringe of reality people, but I think we ALL saw the most reprehensible,
unkind, disgusting comments come from the extremists on the left, who
apparently think some people DESERVED this and others who claim this is
directly related to President Bush.. "not leading". Unreal to
revel in anyones death in such a manner, more disgusting to use the murder
of so many innocent people simply as an excus
[20:21] <Skullhunter> Keen!
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[20:21] <MountainMonk> bohunky, hardly. She was the leader of the
elves operation, that connected Ken Starr with the defunct Jones case.
She was not liked by Democrats, and neither was her husband. Now let's
leave it there out of respect.
[20:21] <Havoc> aalfred: $1.34 here in Atlanta - right now.
[20:21] <Cali_Gal> aalfred, that's been mentioned before. Where
is that going on?
[20:21] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> aalf, quit rumormongering.
[20:21] <bohunky> Glenlivet: well which is it...one who loves or
thinks?
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[20:21] <Zeno> Glenlivet. shrub is not a fav of mine. but under
the circumstances I am willing to give him ONE more chance. he better
not boot this one.
[20:21] <DanielBSC> I agree Carl... and people say there is no such
thing as a culture of death in America. Thousands of innocent people were
brutally and horrifically murdered today. The weight of the saddness is
quite heavy. Mrs. Olsen was an American, a human being, someone's daughter,
someones wife... This is an increddibly sad moment for all humans.
[20:21] <Thang> $1.42 in Gainesville, FL right now
[20:21] <asa250> keen....you're the only one mentioning "jew
hating"....projecting?
[20:21] <Keen> carl that is true but note that on some message boards
i have seen some scum blame this on bill clinton
[20:21] <clay45> carl are you referring to my comment as a joke
about people lives....the one referring to ashcroft?
[20:21] <T-DES> hello, riprap!
[20:21] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> gas would have been 5 a gallon
if gore had gotten elected, anyway. <>
[20:21] <aalfred> Cali_Gal...they say $5 in texas and okc and $4
a lot of other places...arkansas
[20:21] <Thang> hi riprap!
[20:21] <Glenlivet> bohunky ... no one ever accused Bush of thinking
... he's not intelligent enough to do it.
[20:21] <Havoc> aalfred: Those gas prices are merely rumours.
[20:22] * smirks .. hey.. Olsen is sacred to you.. I understand.. I wouldn't
want to have to apologize for that slime she wrote and peddled...some
in here have no conscience, though..they only see the "GOOD"
in her..that she GOT CLINTON... LOLOL... truth hurts
[20:22] <Cali_Gal> aalfred..lol.. O.K. Who is 'they'?
[20:22] <aalfred> Havoc..they are rumours on my TV with pictures
[20:22] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> aalf, nonsense
[20:22] <CarlSwanson> clay45, no. You were mild compared to some
of your friends in here this morning...
[20:22] <LaDiva> aalfred, the governor of Texas has said NO GOUGING.
[20:22] <Zeno> CarlSwanson have you seen anyone try to implicate
Clintn in this?
[20:22] <Pame> BREAKING NEWS!
[20:22] <JGM36> I wonder if the WTC attack of today was forecast
by Nostradamus.
[20:22] <LaDiva> I really disliked Ms. Olson, but I find her death
a real tragedy, along with all the deaths today.
[20:22] <aalfred> Abolish_Death-and-Taxes..nono..it's on TV. They
are showing the pumps
[20:22] <asa250> Cheney was talking about terrorism yesterday in
Lexington Ky....
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[20:22] <Thang> 5JGM: that's my question 30 minutes
[20:22] <boiler> aalfred,,,$5.10 in Indy
[20:22] <Pame> 4truck on the GWB bridge is a truck full of explosives......
[20:22] <Keen> asa does the shoe fit? i didnt know you are a jew
hater
[20:22] <aalfred> LaDiva..yes..all the deaths
[20:22] <CarlSwanson> Keen, they are wrong as well... this is not
about making political points.
[20:22] <Skullhunter> I wonder, would that be more or less reprehensible
than any of the comments from the right expressing a desire to "turn
Afghanistan into black, fused sand" or similar chest-thumping macho
idiocy.
[20:23] <Keen> carl i agree. its sick
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[20:23] <Zeno> aalfred asa250 is no jew hater
[20:23] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> where, aalf, downtown manhattan?
[20:23] <JGM36> I liked Mrs. Olson and I found her death a real
tragedy, as all of these have been.
[20:23] <NCRICH> LaDiva...I concur. And she wasn't bad looking either.
[20:23] <Thang> 5JGM: I thought he wrote something about the fall
of great towers...but I could be wrong
[20:23] <asa250> I'm surprised Cheney's quotes aren't all over the
national news....very much on target....almost like he knew something.
[20:23] <Zeno> CarlSwanson will you contineu to say that when budget
talks resume?
[20:23] <aalfred> LaDiva..apparently the free market pays no attention
to the governor of Texas
[20:23] <Spammi> Oh gawd. Cell phone calls are being made from some
people stranded in the bottom floors of the WTC !
[20:23] <Aero> smirks personally I agree with you... I didn't care
for her... but thats no way for anyone to die
[20:23] <MountainMonk> JGM36, fair enough.
[20:23] <bohunky> MountainMonk: I didn't say she was liked, altho
she was even by many of her liberal adversaries. Oh u mean the defunct
drag $870,000 thru a trailer park case that eventually impeached a Prezedint
& exposed him for the liar, rapist, & red chinese traitor he is?
[20:23] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> skull, nuking afghanistan is redundant.
[20:23] <Keen> spammi really?
[20:23] <Spammi> trapped survivors.
[20:23] <aalfred> asa250..do you think there is any possiblity that
they could have known what was coming and let it come?
[20:23] <Spammi> Yes...on CNN
[20:23] <Keen> wow
[20:23] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> since much of it looks like it
was already nuked
[20:23] <DanielBSC> smirks.... I sense much anger in you... the
good is in you, I can feel it... Put aside your hatred and come back to
the light side of the force.
[20:23] <Spammi> Yeah. Wow.
[20:23] <JGM36> And NYC is probably what Nostradamus calls "The
New City"
[20:24] <Skullhunter> Abolish_Death-and-Taxes, more like pointless
and stupid, but redundant would also work.
[20:24] <NCRICH> Spammi...I think that'
[20:24] <MountainMonk> bohunky, yeah, the case that was ruled without
merit on all it'sa allegations, that one.
[20:24] <Zeno> JGM36 you need to go to skepdic.com
[20:24] <JGM36> Nostradamus specified that the attack would come
in September (the 9th month)
[20:24] <bohunky> dang! MountainMonk!...I'd really rather not go
there either. I'm really trying to keep my righteous anger within today's
event parameters
[20:24] * smirks Aero.. GOD decided she would die like that... not I
[20:24] <bohunky> MountainMonk: ok
[20:24] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> now, aalf, WHERE was 5 a gal gas
being reported from?
[20:24] <JGM36> And that it would be preceded by a comet (Hale-Bopp)
[20:24] <MountainMonk> bohunky, now let's drop it.. that is last
centuries news.
[20:24] <Glenlivet> JGM36 ... he also forcast the "idot son
would assend the throne".
[20:24] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> downtown manhattan? or somewhere
else
[20:25] <CarlSwanson> 4 this hasn't even gained reality status with
us yet... when we see how many died... try ripping 100 pages out of your
Phone Book, that is how many people died
[20:25] <Zeno> bohunky it looks like the Islamic god is more powerful
than your christian god.
[20:25] * smirks .. just points that out...
[20:25] <Thang> hey, today is 9/11......that makes 911
[20:25] <JGM36> Yes, Thang, that's right
[20:25] <Pame> thang that was mentioned earlier......
[20:25] <MountainMonk> Thang, very creative of you. And you say
I should go to bed? :)
[20:25] <NCRICH> Spammi...It''s the two police officers they were
referring to earlier, I think...
[20:25] <boiler> Abolish_Death-and-Taxes,,,it is some places in
Indy
[20:25] <DanielBSC> Zeno... reboot your head
[20:25] * Spammi doesn't think that killing innocent people makes you
powerful
[20:25] <bohunky> Zeno: I should just click u off....but maybe we
need the humor tonite
[20:25] <JGM36> way earlier.
[20:25] <Cali_Gal> DanielBSC..lol..
[20:25] <aalfred> Abolish_Death-and-Taxes...Texas and OKC according
to my TV. $4 in some places locally. They said that one station raised
prices 10 cents within a few minutes of the first hit
[20:25] <Spammi> Rich, they're saying survivors trapped in the WTC
[20:25] * smirks .. can you say AfBOMBistan
[20:25] <Thang> Pame: oh....well, I guess I am a slow thinker :)
[20:25] <asa250> bohunky....I thought you were providing humor?
[20:26] <Pame> thang that's ok......
[20:26] <bohunky> Zeno: Islamic god? u mean Allah?...God of Abraham?
[20:26] *** Roger_A sets mode: -o Roger_A
[20:26] <Thang> MountainMonk: you should still go to bed :)
[20:26] <JGM36> smirks, how about A-Bomb-istan ????
[20:26] <Skullhunter> Bah, Nostradamus. Even if we could properly
translate works written in poetic form in an old French dialect that the
writer was known to have purposely written out of order, so many of his
'predictions' haven't come true.
[20:26] <MountainMonk> Thang :)
[20:26] <Zeno> Skullhunter try www.skepdic.com :)
[20:26] <smirks> JGM36... we won't be the first to use it..they
didn't... but it is a thought
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[20:26] <Keen> spammi hitler tried terror bombing of london during
ww2. that didnt work either
[20:26] <NCRICH> Yea Spammi, two police officers in the basement
called their wives.
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[20:26] <Spammi> Warren CHristopher right in telling AMericans not
to take this out on Arab-Americans, like we did with the Japanese....
[20:26] <bohunky> asa250: I always try, but today I've not enjoyed
the joy of my self too much
[20:26] <aalfred> I wonder how many people are in the #newsroom
[20:27] <Spammi> Rich, oh, ok. Maybe that was it.
[20:27] <MountainMonk> none of Nostradamus so-called 'prophesies'
hascome true <heavy eyerolling phas>
[20:27] <Zeno> 518 aalfred
[20:27] <Havoc> Spammi I heard that. Fat chance.
[20:27] <Keen> arabamericans didnt do this
[20:27] <JGM36> Skullhunter, I'm not completely gullible.... I don't
fall for that whole John Edwards Crossing Over crapola.... but Nostradamus
has always been a favorite of mine.
[20:27] <aalfred> Zeno..weren't there more for OJ?
[20:27] <MountainMonk> aalfred, too many I'd guess
[20:27] <bohunky> isn't Rome at 40-45 degrees also?
[20:27] <Pame> Keen, no they didn't......
[20:27] <T-DES> wb fleep
[20:27] <Thang> Skullhunter: he did it so he would be called a witch
[20:27] <fleep> rehowdy T-DES
[20:27] <Spammi> Havoc, probably not, but I sure wouldn't blame
them for what these nuts did.
[20:27] <Thang> wb fleep!
[20:27] <smirks> fleep fleep fleep
[20:27] <Zeno> aalfred maybe. more maybe for Princess Di.
[20:27] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> yes, you should never drop bombs
or missles on englishmen. putting them to the sword is much more fun.
[20:28] <Havoc> Spammi: Maybe not -- but I don't care to run into
one tomorrow. Might be a bad day.
[20:28] <fleep> Thang, smirks, rehowdy
[20:28] <Pame> Do you think, they are so concentrating on the airlines.....if
they might not have OTHER tricks up their sleeves?
[20:28] <fleep> looks like we're running out of steam here
[20:28] <asa250> womder how cheney's heart is holding up...
[20:28] * Thang can't keep his eyelids up much longer
[20:28] <Spammi> Havoc, I could deal with it...seperate the terrorists
from regular people who are prolly as baffled as the rest of us.
[20:28] <JGM36> bohunky, but Rome is *certainly not* THE NEW CITY.....
it is AN OLD, OLD CITY.... old in Caesar's day.
[20:28] <MountainMonk> heaviest day for Newsroom was 1-1-00, right
CarlSwanson?
[20:28] <aalfred> Didn't Hitler use the bombing of the Reichstag
to make an excuse for setting up a police state?
[20:28] <smirks> is up for awhile
[20:28] <Thang> good night people!
[20:28] <MountainMonk> aalfred, yes, blamed it on the commies.
[20:28] * Cali_Gal gets a blankie and tucks Thang in
[20:28] <LaDiva> I suspect (and hope I'm right) that THIS was THE
operation. That this was a very successful rendering of their big plan.
[20:28] <Melodyy> Night, dear Thang.
[20:28] <fleep> nite Thang
[20:28] <Aero> nite Thang
[20:28] <T-DES> nite thang
[20:28] <Spammi> Cya thang
[20:28] <LaDiva> 'night, Thang :)
[20:28] <MountainMonk> nite Thang
[20:28] <DanielBSC> nite thang
[20:28] <smirks> nie Thang
[20:29] <Havoc> Spammi: I 'reckon I'm not so 'understanding'
[20:29] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> "Keep looking.... keep watching
the skies!"
[20:29] <smirks> nite, even
[20:29] <Pame> MM, I was there....stayed up all night and watched
2000 come in all over the world....
[20:29] <bohunky> JGM36: maybe the Vatican?
[20:29] <T-DES> pagenmystic, hey there!
[20:29] <asa250> aalfred....at this moment, the pubs are going over
the chat logs......we're all in trouble
[20:29] <JGM36> bohunky, again..... OLD
[20:29] <Thang> have a great Wednesday and don't forget to pray
for the people risking their lives to save others!
[20:29] <Zeno> LOL asa250
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[20:29] <NCRICH> CNN reporting the Van story.
[20:29] <MountainMonk> Pame, so was Zeno, and Carl, Go-Seki, we
were there all night.
[20:29] <aalfred> Let us all remember that Bush gave 100 million
to the taleban this year. I wonder how much of that went into training
these people
[20:29] <Pame> MM, yeah and Roger, too....
[20:29] <Spammi> Havoc, I understand.
[20:29] <bohunky> JGM36: Seattle?
[20:29] <aalfred> asa250...time will tell
[20:29] <bohunky> ;-)
[20:29] <JGM36> bohunky, it seems when ole Nostro talks about "The
New City" he means in the USA... which is in the New World.
[20:30] <Zeno> MountainMonk yeah I kept waking up when my head hit
the keyboard..:)
[20:30] <MountainMonk> Pame, yep. That was one nice night. Best
chat I've had on here..
[20:30] <DanielBSC> Hey... how come CLEO who knows all didn't predict
today with her taro cards and warn the defense department hmmmm?
[20:30] <Spammi> I couldn't victimize innocent people though because
of what extremists do...we all bleed.
[20:30] <Pame> I have an appt with a man tomorrow here in Atlanta.....his
name is Bilal.....he is a Moslem.....
[20:30] <Spammi> But....I do understand...anger is high in many
of us.
[20:30] <MountainMonk> Zeno, lol, that was the first night I remember
seeing you.
[20:30] <fleep> DanielBSC, today scared Miss Cleo right out of her
accent, if she was in NY
[20:30] <Zeno> 12 Nostradamus (1503-1566)
[20:30] <Spammi> Pame...I'd be kind of afraid to go.
[20:30] <DanielBSC> fleep LOL!
[20:30] <bohunky> JGM36: yeah, Ino but I didn't see no ball of fire
come out of the center of the earth today. maybe tomorrow or maybe a mistranslation
[20:30] <Zeno> Centuries I, Quatrain 78:
[20:30] <Zeno> "D'vn Chef vieillard naitra ens
hebet¸, Degenerant par ³auoir & par armes."*
[20:30] <T-DES> wb mac
[20:30] <Pame> Spammi, no.....I'm not going to be like that.....
[20:31] <JGM36> Hi mac
[20:31] <pagenmystic> 2 T-DES better than you all "condolances"
to all yanks in the house
[20:31] <mac> howdy t-des and JGM36
[20:31] <Havoc> Pame: Could you give him a message?
[20:31] <Zeno> 12("To an old leader will be born an idiot heir,
weak both in knowledge and in war.") I. 78.* (Some ungenerous souls
think this quatrain refers to two birds named Bush solely because the
younger Bush has a bit of trouble with the language. Codswallop!)
[20:31] <MountainMonk> two people rescued
[20:31] <Pame> Havoc NO....
[20:31] <bohunky> maybe center of the earth really meant 86th floor
[20:31] <Spammi> Pame, I wouldn't be scared of him...or not go because
he is Moslem. I would be afraid he'd be a target after today :<
[20:31] <snaily> well i am going to go hope tomorrow is peaceful
[20:31] <mac> people already lined up at gas stations in austin
tx (the idiots)
[20:31] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> i hope this incident does not
result in a wave of domestic repression like pearl harbor did.
[20:31] <Spammi> snaily, you take care.
[20:31] <T-DES> pagenmystic....thanks for your kind comments....
[20:31] <Zeno> 4 Now THAT is a propheocy!
[20:31] <LaDiva> mac, goodness, and good evening
[20:31] <MountainMonk> well, 2 is better than none I guess.
[20:31] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> that would be tragic.
[20:31] <mac> howdy LaDiva
[20:31] <Skullhunter> Um, they also thought Nostradamus predicted
a great force of destruction from the skies. In 1999. Sorry, the French
fell for that rubbish during WW2, I'm not buying it.
[20:31] <Pame> 800 dead at the Pentagon.....
[20:31] <Zeno> wanna talk Nostrodamus?
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[20:32] <boiler> mac,,whats the price down there?
[20:32] <Spammi> They're lined up in Wisconsin too (bigger idiots...less
likely to happen, especially in our little rural area here)
[20:32] <bohunky> old leader....back in Rome?
[20:32] <LaDiva> Nostradamus......1-800-No-Damus
[20:32] <Roger_A> http://www.cuddlecards.com/peace.html
[20:32] <kitty> Zeno did you know Nostrdamus was a physician famous
for treating the plague and a secret jew, to otherwise he would have been
killed
[20:32] <mac> boiler, thats a little unfair since I filled up about
noon with diesel at $1.45 a gal
[20:32] <MountainMonk> LaDiva, lol
[20:32] <boiler> mac,,oh ok
[20:32] <Zeno> kitty yep and he was an astrologer too :)
[20:32] <JGM36> Hi Jalander
[20:32] <smirks> Clinton would hve bombed someone already.... bush
is cvalling in the lawyers
[20:32] *** Melodyy sets mode: -b *!*@130.67.74.X400=
[20:32] <kitty> and many other disciplines of the time
[20:32] <Pame> Smirks we don't know that for sure.....
[20:32] <Jalander> gasoline is $6.00 a gallon in some places...
prosecutors are looking into charges of price gouging
[20:33] <Zeno> 12 who wants to play FlingTheCow?
[20:33] <MountainMonk> 60lakoya60eno, he was an alchemist mainly,
[20:33] <mac> boiler, but i filled up because my tank was almost
empty not because of panic
[20:33] <T-DES> Jalander, hello!
[20:33] <MountainMonk> oops
[20:33] <JimL> Hey STeven!
[20:33] <Spammi> Someone was stopped in NJ.
[20:33] <Aero> no explosives
[20:33] <fleep> smirks that is conjecture, we need to know who the
target is first
[20:33] <asa250> Bush has to go confer with the cows...get advice
[20:33] <Stevetalk> Hey Jim!
[20:33] <Spammi> No explosives in the van.
[20:33] <smirks> Pame.. well... the world saw his swift responses...
[20:33] <Spammi> FBI
[20:33] <Jalander> smirks how pathetic can you get? Bush has done
nothing wrong be an american and support the country geesh
[20:33] <mac> lets love each other and hate islam
[20:33] <Stevetalk> smirks, hiya
[20:33] <T-DES> wb Stevetalk
[20:33] <DanielBSC> Kitty.. Nostradamus' parents were Jewish. He
was baptised and raised Christian by his parents to avoid persecution.
Nostradamus was a staunch Catholic. His name means "Our Lady"
in honor of the Blessed Mother.
[20:33] <pagenmystic> 2 T-DES our armed forces are also staying
on high alert and we are getting blood drives going and emerg. aid
[20:33] <JGM36> Hi Stevetalk, Mudd
[20:33] <smirks> hey Stevetalk :)
[20:33] <kitty> i know
[20:33] <LaDiva> mac, let's hate the madmen, not all Muslims.
[20:33] <Stevetalk> Hey JGM36
[20:33] <Mudd> hello JGM36
[20:34] <Pame> As much as it is hard to say this......I have to
put my faith (as limited as it is) in what the government is doing.....
[20:34] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> he has to, asa, cattle are an
important voting block for the democrats
[20:34] * smirks .. "we will standdown our enemies"... not exactly
a "swift response"
[20:34] <mac> LaDiva, i know i probably should not have said that,
but does islam preach hatred for america?
[20:34] <kitty> he was not a devout by what i've heard a secret
jew
[20:34] <LaDiva> mac, no, it does not.
[20:34] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> if he could peel them off, it
would help at election time
[20:34] <LaDiva> mac, but the fanatics do
[20:34] <MountainMonk> Pame, and why do you feel you 'have ' to
do that?
[20:34] <asa250> LaDiva...the fanatic muslims are not that different
from the fanatic CC.....only more violent
[20:34] <T-DES> pagenmystic...hmmmm...I wonder how many countries
are on "high alert" this day........
[20:34] <Pame> MM, because President Clinton said to......
[20:34] * smirks .. fact.. they feared clinton... they do not fear this
goober
[20:34] <LaDiva> asa250, I agree that fanaticism is a danger in
all religions......however, in this case, the extremists add the element
of martyrdom.
[20:35] <bohunky> can't a person grieve....do we have to get back
into partisan bickering so quickly?
[20:35] <Havoc> mac: Muslims are evil cowards. Dancing in the streets
right now. I'd love to see them enjoying a nuclear winter.
[20:35] <MountainMonk> Pame, lol, and why do you feel you have to
do what Big Dog says?
[20:35] <kitty> I think that has truth to it smirks
[20:35] <Cali_Gal> Who feared Clinton?
[20:35] <Pame> MM, cause I trusted him.....
[20:35] <Jalander> EIGHT HUNDRED CONFIRMED DEAD AT THE PENTAGON
ALONE!!!!!!
[20:35] <smirks> kitty... I just read what I see...i don't make
the facts
[20:35] <bohunky> Cali-Gal: women
[20:35] <mac> havoc, yes, i am so full of anger now, a few nukes
in that part of the world would take out a few of the fanatics
[20:35] <MountainMonk> Pame, and you really believes he has confidence
in this crew?
[20:35] <DanielBSC> bohunky!! Yes!!
[20:35] <Cali_Gal> bohunky..lol..I agree..that's a fact.
[20:35] <Pame> MM, I don't know.....
[20:35] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> yes jalander, we know. why are
you telling us again?
[20:35] <Skullhunter> Well, there's the pot calling the kettle black.
[20:35] <Glenlivet> Jalander .. Bush got the war he wanted
[20:35] <LaDiva> Havoc, and Christians are what??? You can't brand
a BILLION people by the acts of some.
[20:35] <Havoc> mac: I agree.
[20:36] <pagenmystic> 2 Gee I wonder T-DES
[20:36] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> take a vallium.
[20:36] <smirks> we won't use nukes..we were not nuked
[20:36] <Jalander> Glenlivet how pathetic can you get? Bush has
done nothing wrong be an american and support the country geesh
[20:36] <Spammi> We don't need nukes.
[20:36] <DanielBSC> Amen LaDiva
[20:36] <mac> does islam teach suicide missions for the glory of
allah?
[20:36] <Havoc> LaDiva: I just did. And I'm not apologizing for
it.
[20:36] <bohunky> New York thruway's closed man!
[20:36] <Spammi> We do need to retaliate, once we know for sure
who did this.
[20:36] <Zeno> smirks we weren't nuked in WWII. why not now?
[20:36] <LaDiva> Havoc, of course you won't.
[20:36] <Jalander> Spammi why not use nukes? we have lost enuf lives
in this
[20:36] <Havoc> LaDiva: Face reality.
[20:36] <MountainMonk> Pame, ok, let me say this, he is being a
Statesman, like his wife today. The old 'rally 'round the flag boys'.
Feel free to rally.
[20:36] <Glenlivet> Jalander ... I am an American ... and a patrotic
American will never support our installed dictator.
[20:36] <JGM36> What did Russia learn from Chernobyl? One thing
they learned is, they are downwind from all of their neighbors... if they
nuke someone, they get fallout.
[20:36] <LaDiva> Havoc, I face it daily.
[20:36] <Pame> Why hasn't Martial Law been declared?
[20:36] <mac> I bet Yassar Arafat is shaking in his boots now
[20:36] <Pame> MM, right now, that's all we've got....
[20:36] <Zeno> Pame, Congress was closed today
[20:36] <Jalander> Glenlivet get out of the country then
[20:36] <asa250> Jalander...Bush has been on vacation for a month...his
people in charge have been campaigning and ignoring the threats......face
facts
[20:36] <LaDiva> Havoc, next time a fundy Christian goes off his
nut, I should condemn a billion Christians?
[20:36] <Havoc> LaDiva: Generalities are fine for me in a time like
this.
[20:37] <smirks> Zee... no one is invading...trying to take over
the world...just collapse our financial system
[20:37] <Cali_Gal> Glenlivet, I guess you're fighting a personal
war...sheesh.
[20:37] <kitty> nukes are bad for allies you never know how much
damage for how long
[20:37] <aalfred> mac..isn't there a long history of that kind of
thing...and the belief that if a moslem man dies that way he will be in
paradise with 72 virgins?
[20:37] <Pame> Zeno yes I know.....
[20:37] <bohunky> Feel free to retaliate swiftly & firmly
[20:37] <LaDiva> Havoc, I'm sure they are.
[20:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o crazylady
[20:37] <Jalander> asa plenty of room in moslems countries for you
too
[20:37] <Zeno> Pame doesn't Congress have to decalre martial law?
[20:37] <Skullhunter> Define irony: man calling others evil cowards
and then calling for the incineration of hundreds of thousands of noncombatants
and the eventual painful and protracted death of thousands more from radiation-related
syndromes.
[20:37] <Pame> crazylady WB.....
[20:37] <Melodyy> CRAZYLADY!!!! :))
[20:37] <Havoc> LaDiva: Next time a fundy Christian flies into a
few buildings --- I'll join you.
[20:37] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> JGM, i thought what russia learned
from chernobyl was to quit saying 'containment vessels? what are those?'
[20:37] * smirks Zeno.. is our financial system enough of a reason to
use nukes?.. I don't think so
[20:37] <Spammi> aalfred, if it is, it's a very dangerous (and strange)
religion.
[20:37] <T-DES> crazylady, howdy!
[20:37] <Pame> Zeno, no the President does.....it suspends the Constitution
and Congress, too.....
[20:37] <Veritas> hey crazylady
[20:37] <DanielBSC> CRAZYLADY... It's Daniel.... Haven't talked
to you in months... How Are You!!!
[20:37] <Spammi> Hey, crazy
[20:37] <Zeno> Pame oh ok
[20:37] <mac> aalfred i try (at times) to love all peoples, but
my love for fanatic islams is a bit small at the moment
[20:37] <asa250> Jalander...my family was probably here before yours
and did more to establish this country .....I probably have done more
too...think I'll stay...thank you.
[20:38] *** Quits: Keen (Ping Timeout )
[20:38] <Zeno> smirks. oil was enough reason to use FAE in Iraq.
[20:38] <LaDiva> mac, agreed on that point.
[20:38] <Pame> 300 firefighters are missing.....this man is crying
on CBS......
[20:38] <MountainMonk> Skullhunter, brave new world indeed!
[20:38] <crazylady> DanielBSC not doing good tonight son is in the
army and I have no idea where he is right now :)
[20:38] <Zeno> smirks, and firebombing would probably kill more
anyway
[20:38] <crazylady> DanielBSC how are you and your 200 kids and
wife
[20:38] <Spammi> Pame, yeah, poor man :<
[20:38] <smirks> Zeno .. oil was enough of a reason to molilize...
[20:38] <Jalander> <---- can't believe the sick people in here
that would dare say one word against the president time to close ranks...
ever hear how people who hated FDR rallied to support him after Pearl
Harbor? but I guess that was too much to expect from the left wing democratic
hate mongers
[20:38] <bohunky> Zeno: or maybe our friends in Kuwait who sell
us the oil
[20:38] <Cali_Gal> asa250..lol..are you really resorting to a 'we
were here first,' type of argument?
[20:38] <MountainMonk> nuke 'em. What a bunch of crock....
[20:38] <DanielBSC> Crazylady.. My family will hold him in our prayers
tonight...
[20:38] <Zeno> Bot there are no American friends in Kuwait. It is
a monarchy
[20:38] <LaDiva> Jalander, please, plenty of folks blaming this
on Clinton, too.....we see the absurdity.
[20:38] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> i've turned off the news, i'm
watching 'the man from planet x' on turner classic movies.
[20:39] <Cali_Gal> LaDiva, WERE...those nuts aren't saying much
now.
[20:39] <mac> Kuwait should help us get Bin Ladin
[20:39] <LaDiva> Cali_Gal, and hopefully won't.
[20:39] <DanielBSC> Crazy... funny you should mention that... you
know that my wife miscarried last Feb.... Well, we got the good news two
weeks ago.... another on the way... :-)
[20:39] <bohunky> Jalander: ranks are closing....just the petty
& worthless are being weeded out...fortunate
[20:39] <Skullhunter> MountainMonk, it's sickeningly ridiculous.
"How dare they kill civilians, let's nuke them all and let them watch
their children die retching up blood!" But the irony is lost on them,
I'm afraid.
[20:39] <Glenlivet> Jalander ... BIG DIFFERENCE ... FDR WAS LEGALLY
ELECTED ... BUSH IS AN INSTALLED DICTATOR
[20:39] <asa250> CAli...that was in response to a you can live in
a moslem country comment...fitting
[20:39] *** Quits: kitty (QUIT: User exited )
[20:39] * smirks .. people sayig this is the most tragic day in american
history probably forget gettysburg
[20:39] <M_Ca> Fact: 1/3 of ALL us Financial transaction used to
be funnelled thru the World Trade towers....
[20:39] <Cali_Gal> LaDiva, I'm watching others blame Bush... STILL
doing so. That's Patriotism?
[20:39] <Jalander> MountainMonk I believe we are in our rights to
nuke Afghanistan today... no reason at all not to... they have harbored
and supported an avowed enemy of america.. one who has already been indicted
for killing dozens of americans
[20:39] <bohunky> LaDiva: don't think too many are blaming this
on Clinton
[20:39] <Spammi> Now it's more than 300 firefighters missing :<
[20:39] <MountainMonk> Kuwatis are too busy hanging out in their
hot tubs and buffing their Philipino maids.
[20:39] <pagenmystic> 2 Cali_Gal maybe he should crawl back under
his rock with a bottle of glenlivet
[20:40] <LaDiva> Worst day of casualties thus far in American history
- Antietam, 22,000 or so.
[20:40] <mac> Glenlivet good god, there is a major tragedy in our
nation tonight and you guys are arguing about bush being president
[20:40] <Zeno> smirks were you alice when JFK was assassinated?
[20:40] <crazylady> DanielBSC OWNDERFUL!!!!! I just got my first
grandbaby!!! August 23rd and another on the way in December
[20:40] <Jalander> Skullhunter not in here they aren't look at these
sick fools say negaitve things about Bush
[20:40] <T-DES> hello, goodolemr!
[20:40] * smirks .. thousands of men walked into fields of crossfire there...
instant death
[20:40] <asa250> Jalander...you want to nuke the same country Bush
gave 100 million to this year?
[20:40] <Havoc> LaDiva: Unfortunately we will far surpass that.
[20:40] <smirks> Zeno -- I was 3
[20:40] <LaDiva> Cali_Gal, the time hardly matters - earlier today,
it was blame-Clinton. Bad idea on either end.
[20:40] <JGM36> "alive"
[20:40] <boiler> Jalander,,,why did we just give them millions of
dollars then?
[20:40] <T-DES> BigBadWolf, hey there!
[20:40] <Cali_Gal> pagenmystic, people who talk like that show themselves
for their weak minds.
[20:40] <DanielBSC> Congrats..... its now Gramma Crazylady!!!
[20:40] <Mudd> any further word from Saddam on today's events.?
[20:40] <MountainMonk> Jalander, a 200 mile shared border with the
Republic of Russia, comes to mind as a reason not to. :)
[20:40] <Zeno> smirks THAT was a bad day
[20:40] <Skullhunter> Cali_Gal, patriotisim doesn't equal blind
loyalty. Otherwise, you'd have to count every single American who spoke
ill of Clinton as a seditious traitor, since he too once held the office
that Bush now holds.
[20:40] <BigBadWolf> Hey, T-DES
[20:40] <Glenlivet> mac ... considering that Bush foreign policy
created this tragedy .. why not?
[20:40] <Cali_Gal> LaDiva, I don't see why it should continue.
[20:40] <smirks> Zeno.. yes..
[20:40] <crazylady> DanielBSC LOL yep
[20:40] <MountainMonk> 2000
[20:40] <Jalander> asa250 you have blabbed that in here for months
but have yet to post a source you can put up or shut up
[20:40] <Spammi> Skull, pretty hypocritical, no?
[20:40] <pagenmystic> 2 you bet
[20:40] <Stevetalk> again, this has been in the planning stages
long before bush took office
[20:40] <Stevetalk> ackack
[20:40] <mac> Glenlivet how did his policy create this event?
[20:40] <MountainMonk> Jalander, a 2000 mile shared border with
the Republic of Russia, comes to mind as a reason not to. :)
[20:41] <LaDiva> Cali_Gal, why did it continue this morning? People
may express their opinions, within the standards guidelines.
[20:41] <Cali_Gal> Skullhunter, but to continue to blame Bush for
this? That's Nonsense, and quite laughable.
[20:41] <Jalander> MountainMonk timne to tell russia how the world
works... it works because america makes it work...
[20:41] <mac> Glenlivet, you certain it wasn't Bush Sr you meant?
[20:41] <Spammi> Hi Notty
[20:41] <crazylady> hi NottyHead
[20:41] <asa250> Jalander...that is the first time I have posted
that....and you don't tell me what to do..
[20:41] <tlb> Putin has endorsed a strong response to the attack
[20:41] <Skullhunter> Spammi, I've been seeing a disgusting level
of hypocrisy from both sides all day.
[20:41] * Zeno notes the jingoism
[20:41] <bohunky> intelligence was prevented from pursuing Laden....not
no more
[20:41] <T-DES> howdy, NottyHead!
[20:41] <NottyHead> Hi Spammi & crazylady
[20:41] <JGM36> Hi NottyHead
[20:41] <Glenlivet> mac ... by refusing to get involved in world
affairs ... and his religious policies which have only flamed the hatred
of America around the world.
[20:41] <LaDiva> NottyHead, welcome
[20:41] <NottyHead> Hey T-DES
[20:41] <mac> Bush has not been in office long enough to have a
foreign policy Glenlivet
[20:41] <Spammi> Skull, I have too. I think some of it is grief.
[20:41] * Mudd notes Zeno's noting of jingoism.
[20:41] <Havoc> Jalander: Agreed. Russia AND China should either
support our nuclear attacks or suffer attacks themselves.
[20:41] <NottyHead> Hi JGM36
[20:41] <Cali_Gal> LaDiva, both sides were blaming. I'm kinda surprised
anyone is still spouting that kind of bunk at this time...but you're right.
They have the right to their opinions.
[20:41] <MountainMonk> Jalander, I'm sure they will appreciate that
sentiment as radiocative clouds stream over there countryside and cities.
:)
[20:41] <NottyHead> Hey LaDiva
[20:41] <LaDiva> mac, when is he planning on getting one?
[20:42] <Zeno> Hi dear Mudd
[20:42] <Jalander> asa250 you are a traitor stabbing the leader
of the country in the back when we should be looking for who did this...
be very ashamed
[20:42] <Mudd> Some stuff, eh Zeno?
[20:42] <Skullhunter> Cali_Gal, we have the freedom to do so. At
least, we should have the freedom to do so without being branded as traitors.
[20:42] <mac> LaDiva probably had one this morning about 9ET
[20:42] <LaDiva> mac, Bush, a foreign policy, today? LOL
[20:42] <Zeno> Mudd, I thought nothing would top the Mariners...I
was wrong..:(
[20:42] <Glenlivet> Jalander .. America has no leader ... we have
a Republican installed dictator
[20:42] <asa250> Jalander....and when and where did you serve.....I
was in Vietnam when bush was awol....
[20:42] <LaDiva> "Isolate, isolate, isolate," maybe.
[20:42] * smirks .. was hoping 7-11 at 17th and R would be open.... hmmmm
[20:42] <mac> LaDiva, its not one the arabs are gonna like
[20:42] <pagenmystic> 2 Brianna !!!!! darlin' I almost didn't see
you up there
[20:43] <aalfred> Glenlivet..that is what is scariest. We have a
crisis and no real president
[20:43] <Jalander> asa250 yeah sure I bet you were hauling typewriters
around for gore the whole time
[20:43] <Mudd> There ya go, Zeno...slippin in a plug for AMerica's
best Baseball team. :)
[20:43] <MountainMonk> smirks, don't you hate it when they take
their name seriously? :)
[20:43] <Melodyy> This is probably not the best time to be bashing
the President about partisan political ideology. Thousands died, today.
Hardly the time to be bashing the president.
[20:43] <Zeno> Mudd they want to bomb laden yet they don't know
who did it. VERY 4 revealing
[20:43] <Jalander> Glenlivet when you find ANY count gore won let
me know...
[20:43] <mac> aalfred no real pres as in not elected or as in not
a human being?
[20:43] <Cali_Gal> Melodyy, that's where their "heart"
is...lol.. it's rather sad.
[20:43] <Glenlivet> aalfred ... don't be shocked if Bush doesn't
declare martial law and become a full fledged dictator
[20:43] <LaDiva> Actually, perhaps in bad taste, but each gets their
opinion.
[20:43] <Jalander> Melodyy it confirms the incredible sickness of
the pathetic left
[20:43] <Mudd> Well...Zeno, I"m one to think that bin laden
had some hand in this...
[20:43] <smirks> MountainMonk.. yes... they don't have a lock on
eh door, though...I'm thinking about driving over..it's only 34 blocks
[20:43] <LaDiva> Jalander, give it a break....it was the all-Clinton-bash
earlier.
[20:43] <DanielBSC> niters everyone... gonna try to make a better
night from a yucky day. I'll pop in (like Aunt Clara) again sometime soon.
Remember... spread peace... use words if necessary!!!
[20:44] <Cali_Gal> Jalander, right...lack of focus.
[20:44] <bohunky> Zeno: Laden announced his attack on US interests.
Laden trained pilots for Boeing planes that were used
[20:44] <Skullhunter> I mean, come on people, is this Soviet Russia?
We have to denigrate and crush everyone that doesn't form up and march
with the rest of the nation? Screw that. If you take that position, then
you'd better never, ever knock socialisim or communisim again, since you're
embracing the most poisonous aspect of it, blind allegiance to the State.
[20:44] <Zeno> Jalander, bohunky I find your desire to kill someone
, anyone (as long as it is an Arab) very recealing.
[20:44] <Melodyy> It's in bad taste and revealing, too, of a lack
of taste and character.
[20:44] <Pame> Oh for crissake......you can dislike Bush but still
feel terrible for the whole country.....
[20:44] <LaDiva> Melodyy, ON EITHER SIDE
[20:44] <asa250> Glenlivet....when the market reopens....it could
be a disaster....an margin calls.....
[20:44] <M_Ca> We don't need a missile defense...we need a jetliner
defense shield
[20:44] <Havoc> I notice the liberals are not concerned today about
education, healthcare, or social security. Interesting. Maybe they can
understand now what the REAL function of our Federal Government is.
[20:44] <Zeno> boiler you know who did it now?
[20:44] <MountainMonk> Melodyy, your President, not mine. Let's
get that straight. I'll give hiom some distance now, because this definately
rates as an emergency. I expect him to do virtually nothing though.
[20:44] *** Quits: DanielBSC (QUIT: User exited )
[20:44] <Jalander> Glenlivet well if you didn;t know this... clinton
passed the laws that would allow Bush to do it... including the ability
to take personal propoerty in time of crisis... thank you bill clinton
[20:44] <mac> its time for nukes on Laden's camps
[20:44] <bohunky> Zeno: Laden announced in June that it was time
to stiked US & Israel where it hurts
[20:44] <LaDiva> But I'm seeing more of the sense of a lack of leadership
than actual blame on Bush.
[20:44] <boiler> Zeno,,,did what?
[20:44] <Glenlivet> asa250 ... it will be a melt down .. foreign
markets were down today by as much as 10%
[20:44] <Melodyy> MountainMonk Oh. I didn't realize you weren't
a citizen. My apologies.
[20:44] <Cali_Gal> LaDiva, what would you do as President at this
moment?
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[21:56] * ML sees the childish slander continue from the Nov election
losers
[21:56] <Camille> Hi TDES
[21:56] <Brianna> float, i listened to you spew hatred no matter
what with clinton. how does it feel now its your boy?
[21:56] <GeeWhiz> cosmo, I have long thought we need to toss them
to the wind, but even that will not guarantee our security from terrorism
[21:56] <T-DES> howdy, Zeno!
[21:56] <cosmo> float, you call liberals cheap? I thought liberals
always wanted money?
[21:56] <Zeno> Back you old wardogs
[21:56] <Roger_A> hi Zeno
[21:56] <Brianna> Hi Camille
[21:56] <float> Locke...but instead you take the time to attack
Bush as if he is ht eissue.
[21:56] <maggiejo> Camille !!
[21:56] <Zeno> hi Roger_A
[21:56] <Brianna> wb Zeno
[21:56] <Zeno> hi T-DES
[21:56] <Zeno> hey Brianna
[21:56] <Roger_A> Camille!!
[21:56] <T-DES> boiler...do you have a url?
[21:56] <maggiejo> zeno !!
[21:56] <PlagueRat> bohunky - I was wiling to give Bush his chance...
he's blowing it... he ran around like a chicken, and when he finally returned
to his office he gave a weak reading of a poor speach. I am UNINSPIRED.
I detested Reagan, but I could recognize that he was inspirational and
could give great rallying speaches. We needed a man like Reagan in the
WH today, not a cowardly drunk who can't even speak well.
[21:56] <T-DES> wb Bubble
[21:56] <Camille> Hi Brianna and maggiejo and Roger!
[21:56] <Zeno> maggiejo!
[21:56] <Cal> T-DES I am hopeful that in her phone calls to Ted
that she was able to pass along some info that may be helpful in the investigation
[21:56] <Glenlivet> float .. I suppose you are in total shock ...
you have just discovered that people refused to accept a dictator ...
no one will rally behind Bush
[21:56] <maggiejo> Bubble Hi
[21:56] <Brianna> Hi the real Bubble
[21:56] <boiler> T-DES,,,yes you want?
[21:56] <MountainMonk> ML, are those GOPers still complaining they
got caught stealing the election? What a bunch of sore losers!
[21:56] <Bubble> hi T-DES
[21:56] <float> Brianna......did I ever attack Clinton for sticking
up for America....were we attacked like this?
[21:56] <cosmo> GeeWhiz, there is a reason that so many terrorists
are after us. the same reason why so many hated the English Empire in
the past.
[21:56] <Writer9554> ML nobody cares about the GOP and its poor
leadership....
[21:57] <bohunky> it is easy to not the unpatriotic, unAmerican,
the petty, & worthless in times like these. Weeds to be pulled....yes,
they come back but never produce
[21:57] <float> Glenlivet....this is not about Bush
[21:57] <T-DES> boiler....send me the URL by prv msg...
[21:57] <Bubble> hi brianna (real Bubble?)
[21:57] <Locke> float: well perhaps you should deftly steer the
conversation in another direction, by presenting a thought-provoking alternative
topic
[21:57] <float> It's about America.
[21:57] <Zeno> float, sure you did. But I don't have the logs.
[21:57] <asa250> dmoore....but with Bush....and Rumsfeld, who has
worked on NMD for 7 years, NMD has been the #1 priority of the Defense
Dept....at the expense of all else....including terrorism.
[21:57] <bohunky> easy to note
[21:57] <Brianna> float, think back. you never did care about anything
then
[21:57] * ^imagi^ PR You are one sick puppy
[21:57] <Locke> I find that these direct attacks rarely change anyone's
mind
[21:57] <float> Locke....how about a national tragedy?
[21:57] <GeeWhiz> so many terrorist are after us because we do not
have the soviet empire to keep them in line
[21:57] <ML> MountainMonk if you think that then you need your head
examined
[21:57] <Glenlivet> float ... but is is ... or rather Bush's inept
leadership
[21:57] <dmoore> ML--Bush is not my cup of tea, but that's beside
the point. These people weren't attacking Bush, they were attacking America
and their twisted view of what it stands for.
[21:57] <MountainMonk> float, than why don't you stop making it
about that sniveling little twit bush?
[21:57] <Zeno> omagi, but PlagueRat is MY sick puppy!
[21:57] <float> Brianna.....I never attacked Clinton for defending
America
[21:57] <PlagueRat> imagi - were YOU inspired by taht speach???
I found it tepid... boring...
[21:57] <T-DES> Cal...yeah..i think she is going to be one of the
heroes of today's events...
[21:57] <bohunky> Locke: think Ben Laden's a pretty nice guy?
[21:57] <ML> dmoore no disagreement here
[21:57] <Writer9554> dmore wtg
[21:57] <float> MountainMonk...you guys are
[21:57] <Brianna> lol
[21:57] <^imagi^> PR You are one sick puppy
[21:58] <willow> hey camille!
[21:58] <MountainMonk> float, Democrats?
[21:58] *** EdC is now known as Ed-CNN
[21:58] <Locke> float: yes, let's talk about it. I think anarchists
may be involved. I think we shouldn't rush to assume that it is bin laden.
[21:58] <cosmo> imagi, I thought you liked Reagan?
[21:58] <Bubble> hi maggggggggie...
[21:58] <cherie> nite everyone
[21:58] <Camille> float, we need leadership...not a Burger King
trainee
[21:58] <float> Camille....shut up
[21:58] <Camille> Hi willow!
[21:58] <^imagi^> cosmo I do..so what?
[21:58] <maggiejo> bye cherei !
[21:58] <maggiejo> ie
[21:58] <Brianna> exactly Camille!
[21:58] <cherie> maggiejo...nite...
[21:58] <float> Camille...maybe you can get a job with Osama...
[21:58] <Writer9554> wtg Camille
[21:58] <bohunky> Locke: what proof or hint do u have to base that
thought on?
[21:58] <Pame> Compare Bush's speech to FDR's or Reagan's fire.....do
you see a difference?
[21:58] * Zeno wonders where Dr Strangelove is when you need him
[21:58] <cosmo> imagi, so why get on PR's case when he is suggesting
a reagan would be good at this time?
[21:58] <Locke> I grant that bin laden has already forfeited his
life, and we ought to capture and prosecute him, but what I am most concerned
about is stopping whoever is behind this.
[21:58] <Pame> CAMILLE!!!!
[21:58] <ML> Locke for example ?
[21:58] <Brianna> lol Pame
[21:58] <float> Pame.....let's judge what Bush does to combat terrorism.
[21:58] <Camille> PAME!!!!!
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[21:58] <BigBadWolf> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&th=54ab4d241c34e0cc
---- That is the 911 prediction thread
[21:59] <bohunky> Locke: who is behind this.....any clues whatsoever?...any?
[21:59] <Camille> float, incidents like this is why we need to have
qualified Presidents
[21:59] <GeeWhiz> it would only take one bold act to send the message.
Abduct someone like Kadafi and mail him back to Libya one piece at a time.
No state would harbor these nuts then
[21:59] <Zeno> float, well from his past exploits as a fighter pilot.
we don't have a lot to look forward to.
[21:59] <bohunky> Locke: what anarchist group?...faction?...individual?
[21:59] <dmoore> Writer--I'm angry. I'm angry at the murderers,
whoever they are. The rest is beside the point. I wish the best for our
entire government, elected and permanent, as they get to the bottom of
it.
[21:59] <PlagueRat> imagi - you recognize Reagan's ability to give
STIRRING speaches... you quote him all the time. Reagan wouldn't have
read such a boring speach in a monotone. Reagan would have spoken from
his heart and RALLIED the country. Bush's performace will be forgotten
.... he's no Reagan... he ain't even his own Daddy... and that's not much.
[21:59] <Pame> Float, he'll fly around the country landing here
and there.......screaming "Don't make me go out there!".....
[21:59] <Keystone^> Float. Exactly, Will Bush weaken the CIA and
FBI like Clinton did?
[21:59] <Glenlivet> float .. if Bush repeats his "leadership"
... he'll apologize to bin Lauden and send him a check for 25 mil
[21:59] <cosmo> LOL Zeno :)
[21:59] <ML> Camille like Gore ? LOL
[21:59] <Locke> bohunky: I studied the anarchists a few weeks ago.
They have sophisticated technology, and they too were hinting that "something
big" was going to happen soon. They hate world trade and capitalism
and the military/industrial complex. So, they have motive, method, and
opportunity, especially as many of them are normal-looking americans.
[22:00] * smirks .. seriously...chocolate and reese's run (for willow)
to 7-11... let's test the limits of today... :))... brb
[22:00] <smirks> is afk
[22:00] <Locke> added to this, I believe bin laden would be gloating
if he had done it
[22:00] <Brianna> Zeno, he saved texas from the north vietnamese
[22:00] <Veritas> oh, Bush will combat "terrorism alright";
he'll call martial law, then confiscate the guns and we'll have no defense
against The terrorists
[22:00] <BigBadWolf> Reagan was the best president, I agree PlagueRat
[22:00] <cosmo> Who woke up Keystone^? Go sit in the corner.
[22:00] <asa250> Keystone...do you mean, will Bush take some of
the CIA resourses from drug dealing and put them on anti terrorism?
[22:00] <Zeno> cosmo with our luck Bush will think he is attacking
Afghanistan and end up in the Congo
[22:00] <Locke> it's only a theory, but I find it disturbing that
to have an alternative theory such as this is considered to be somehow
unamerican
[22:00] <GeeWhiz> you are seeing the most over looked success of
Clinton today. He rebuilt FEMA from the ground up
[22:00] <bohunky> Locke: ok, u have ur own personal clue....email
the Pentagon
[22:00] <dmoore> PlagueRat--in two words: "Who cares?"
Everyone knows Bush is no orator. So what?
[22:00] <Zeno> Brianna yeeha!
[22:00] <Camille> ML, Gore would be in control...not dazed
[22:00] <ML> Camille oh yeah ..lol
[22:00] <Zeno> Camille and at least act and look presidential
[22:00] <Writer9554> Veritas DON'T give the dictor any ideas....
[22:01] <Keystone^> Asa, No since Drug money funds Terrorism, Best
to take money from Gun Control investigations.
[22:01] <PlagueRat> dmoore - in times of national stress, we need
a leader who can pound the bully pulpit and rally the troops.
[22:01] <cosmo> Zeno, woe to him if our people accidently hit an
aspirin factory. I'm sure the pubbies will be all over him for that. Ha!
[22:01] <Veritas> Writer9554, he already has them
[22:01] <bohunky> Locke: its not unAmerican....U moreso expressed
doubt that Laden had anything to do with it
[22:01] <Zeno> LOL cosmo
[22:01] <BigBadWolf> this isn't a speech class people, this is real
life. Some people aren't good talkers. Get over it.
[22:01] <MountainMonk> If shrub had just given the impression that
he gave a damn, that these weredn't just more cue cards Hughes was forcing
him to read, than maybe he would have inspired 'confidence', at least
in the gulllible' as it is, he was a stiff zombied who said essentially
nothing. Blair and Chirac were more animated, let alone Sharon.
[22:01] <asa250> Locke....tonite here I have seen two american veterans
from Vietnam charged with being unpatriotic....traitors....
[22:01] <Zeno> BigBadWolf the problem though is Bush not only speaks
poorly, he thinks poorly too
[22:01] <Brianna> BigBadWolf, or good thinkers. he is a good drinker.
i will say that
[22:01] <Locke> bohunky: I just don't understand why he would deny
doing it. it's not like doing so would increase his chances of survival
[22:01] * willow wants to hear more statements from the senators, congress
persons, etc. to see how our future presidential leaders handle themselves
in a crisis
[22:01] <Aero> how can the media keep asking how our mental health
is after they show the jets slam into wtc every 3 minutes
[22:02] <cosmo> Zeno, some of these SOB's actually suggested that
Clinton purposefully went after that aspirin factory. Oh they opened the
door to their own ruination.
[22:02] <Locke> asa250: well, that's bound to happen in a stressful
time like this. the important thing is to never lose sight of our right
to speak our minds
[22:02] <Brianna> MountainMonk, i agree with you :(
[22:02] <Veritas> Aero, it is called "conditioning the masses"
[22:02] <MountainMonk> Aero, that is unnerving, isn't it?
[22:02] <bohunky> But, if...sniff,sniff...if Bush would've spoken
more eloquent...sniff,sniff..ly...or said more...or touched my
[22:02] <PlagueRat> willow - GOOD POINT... this is a great proving
ground for future presidential candidates.
[22:02] <BigBadWolf> Bill Clinton was a good talker, in a crooked
used car salesman sort of way.
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[22:02] <dmoore> MountainMonk--do you feel any less secure, or less
sure that things are being done to get to the bottom of things, because
of the speech? I don't like Bush, but his speech didn't change how I feel
about the situation one iota.
[22:02] <Zeno> cosmo. the right wingers have poor vision and even
worse public relation skills
[22:02] <fleep> Remember the Challenger? Same thing. Relentless
repetition.
[22:02] <GeeWhiz> I think that George II did an okay job today.
The Secret Service had him in deep protection, but I think he was very
deliberate in the design and delivery of his speech. I would have been
out in front of the cameras with a shotgun looking for somebody to shoot
[22:02] <Brianna> he didnt seem to give a darn. but then he never
has
[22:02] <MountainMonk> Sharon is always 'animated'. :)
[22:02] <Cal> exactly BigBadWolf a liar
[22:02] <Brianna> wb midwest
[22:02] <Pame> bohunky, a HS kid in a first year speech class could
have done MUCH better.....
[22:02] * PlagueRat offers T-DES $10 to hit that button again. :)
[22:03] <T-DES> nite PlagueRat
[22:03] <midwest> Brianna, left due to glitches in internet
[22:03] <MountainMonk> dmoore, neither did it I.
[22:03] <T-DES> nite folks
[22:03] <Roger_A> 12 I can see the bumper stickers now. 10 PlagueRat
for President!! He will Curl your Tail!
[22:03] <asa250> dmoore....I didn't feel like Bush's speech indicated
any definitive action would be taken.....
[22:03] <bohunky> Locke: very simple....HE MADE THE HIT!!!!...It
was devastating more than he ever imagined & he now knows he's a dead
man
[22:03] <GeeWhiz> nite T\
[22:03] <fleep> nite T-DES
[22:03] <PlagueRat> T-DES - you do that and then LEAVE???
[22:03] <willow> yes, plaguerat, i would like to hear a statement
from both Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Dole, Dianne Feinstein and Barbara
Boxer
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[22:03] <MountainMonk> night T-DES
[22:03] <midwest> T_des...nite
[22:03] <PlagueRat> T-DES - STAY AND SUFFER WITH US
[22:03] <Writer9554> The GOP do not like us downing Bush, but they
will be the first to down Hillary when she comes out and speaks... after
all she is a senator from NY where it happened.... watch the tables turn
and the attacks begin by the GOP when she speaks out.....
[22:03] <Zeno> cal, how soon you forget Bush lies about his criminal
past
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[22:03] <MountainMonk> I enjoyed T Des's company tonight. :(
[22:03] <PlagueRat> willow - I know Di Fi made a statement...
[22:03] <dmoore> MountainMonk--then who cares? We spend too much
time aiming our guns in the at a gnat when a bear is standing behind us.
[22:03] <Cal> willow hillary was on today and offered nothing
[22:04] <Locke> I thought honestly that Bush's latest speech was
very good (for him), with very little fake texas accent, and no "special
words", but it was so short
[22:04] <Zeno> willow all women eh?
[22:04] <ML> cosmo no he thougt it was a chemical factory..and we
know the rest of the story...oops
[22:04] <float> test
[22:04] <Brianna> Writer9554, thats true.......only they think only
we should toe their line
[22:04] <bohunky> Hillary made statement today....zzzzzzzzzzz...Bush
was better
[22:04] <GeeWhiz> I have actually been agreeing a lot today with
people who I normally think are idiots
[22:04] <willow> oh yeah??? PlagueRat, what about a statement from
Hillary Clinton??? this tragedy happened in her own senatorial backyard
[22:04] <Brianna> Cal, same with shrub
[22:04] <Camille> writer, but politicizing Hillary's situation will
be ok with the right wingers...I can hear it now
[22:04] <Veritas> did hillary say any kind words about Barbara Olson's
death?
[22:04] * Zeno told you months ago we needed background checks and a 5
day waiting period on knives!
[22:04] <Pame> Hillary has made a statement.....
[22:04] <dmoore> Writer--I'll dismiss them, too, then. ;)
[22:04] <Keystone^> Hillary said she saw no danger while she was
vacationing in the middle east.
[22:04] <Roger_A> Writer9554, so far, Sen Clinton, Speaker Hastert,
Maj. Leader Daschle, Sen Feinstien and others have made statements, and
there were no partisan attacks. For that, I'm glad.
[22:04] * willow needs better access to the media during the day
[22:04] <Cal> bohunky he was much better
[22:04] <float> Zeno...hardee har har
[22:04] <midwest> Brianna, what bothers me is what about tomorrow...will
this happen again and when and where
[22:04] <MountainMonk> dmoore, I was just being responsive, you
are in the right, in the end, the fact that shrub is ineloquent and clueless
counts for nothing. We will survive this.
[22:04] <ML> Veritas who cares what she says ?
[22:04] <BigBadWolf> Hillary made a statement on CNN, I thought,
eariler, she did ok, I had no problem with her at all
[22:04] <PlagueRat> willow - she may or may not have made a statement
.... I was somewhat out of touch most of the day. I stood a Memorial Watch
at the fire station from 11 AM to 6 PM....
[22:05] <Zeno> 12 Knives are evil
[22:05] <Cal> Roger even clinton came out today and said that Americans
should rally around Bush
[22:05] <Veritas> ML, just curious, don't jump down my neck just
because Bush can't keep any campaign promises
[22:05] <bohunky> Cal: yep, even GW can outspeech Hillary....big
whoop
[22:05] <Roger_A> BigBadWolf, she made it plain she supported the
President, as she should.
[22:05] <Writer9554> bohunky and she will speak more tomorrow and
watch what ypou Gopers say then,,, so get used to it if we have to put
up with GOP BS, then the GOP can put up with democrats
[22:05] <dmoore> MountainMok--I'm sorry if I seemed to b picking
on you. I guess I just expect so much from you. ;)
[22:05] <GeeWhiz> I cannot help but think that in the days ahead
we will hear that someone like Donald Trump or that ilk was in the WTC
[22:05] <willow> PlagueRat, i was totally out of touch today...the
only media i could get was limited to cnn online
[22:05] <MountainMonk> Hillary sang the praises of the shrub, it
was quite entertaining seeing her pledge her loyalty.
[22:05] <asa250> Roger...highly placed politicians have to be nice
at times like these....we can tell the trugh
[22:05] <Roger_A> Cal, Yep
[22:05] <asa250> truth
[22:05] <PlagueRat> 2I wish my statements were as important as floats.
[22:05] <Zeno> Roger_A, but she didn't really mean it :)
[22:05] <Roger_A> hehe Zeno
[22:05] <Brianna> thats right. you dish it out, you take it. and
quit whinning about it
[22:05] <Roger_A> perhaps she did
[22:05] <bohunky> Writer: Hillary hasn't said anything since Watergate
[22:05] <willow> me too
[22:06] <Keystone^> You can be sure Hillary is very sad about today.
She lost a lot of voters when those buildings colasped.
[22:06] <cosmo> Go Brianna :)
[22:06] <MountainMonk> dmoore, like I said, I was responding to
another string. In thecend you are right.
[22:06] <Roger_A> 12 NOT ME.
[22:06] <asa250> Rat....get divorced and live like a monk for 10
years....then you will argue with the passion of float
[22:06] <BigBadWolf> Was Gary Condit with the Congress and Senate
singing God Bless America today?
[22:06] <Veritas> Keystone^, she doesn't care
[22:06] <PlagueRat> willow - *laugh* Some critics will claim that
being reliant on CNN for your news means you are totally ignorant. I won't
go that far...
[22:06] <Brianna> lol asa
[22:06] <willow> hehehe asa
[22:06] <midwest> Brianna, you go ....
[22:06] <ML> Veritas 8 months in and that's it ? whew other presidents
wouldn't like that kind of chance
[22:06] <Keystone^> Verias, She cares about the Votes she lost.
[22:06] <bohunky> Keystone: not really.....not in WTC
[22:06] <MountainMonk> BigBadWolf, no, he was out partying, knowing
he is nolonger a news item.
[22:06] <maggiejo> Hillary made a very fine statement and is going
to of course back the President so why can't everyone in here forget the
partismanship for just ONE day and act like Americans ?
[22:06] <Veritas> ML, 8 months in and already he's broken his campaign
"promises"
[22:06] <willow> PlagueRat, i was a total victim...i couldn't get
access to any of the other news outlets, save what i could get from Yahoo....
[22:06] <cosmo> rofl asa250
[22:06] <bohunky> BigBad: I combed the group 3 repeats & didn't
see him
[22:07] <ML> Veritas like ?
[22:07] <Zeno> Keystone^, who was the one campaigning when it happened?
On guess and you can't say POTUS
[22:07] <dmoore> MountainMonk--that was my attempt at contrition.
You are a sensible person and I kinda picked you out of a crowd to be
cranky at.
[22:07] <Writer9554> The GOP wants us to united except when it comes
to NY senators, then we can be divided....
[22:07] <PlagueRat> asa250 - float got married at 6 years old?????
[22:07] <cosmo> Writer9554, to hell with the GOP
[22:07] <Zeno> MountainMonk that is the second compliment yuo got
from a right wing extremist tonight. 12 What are you doing wrong?!!?!
[22:07] <bohunky> maggiejo: I've been trying to do that all day
& successful until tonite in here....today's anger overflows on some
in here & I apologize
[22:08] <Camille> maggiejo, I think opinions are all over the map
today. Nobody can believe it happened and don't know what to really think.....partisan
will be far more rigid in the coming days. I predict things will get quite
ugly.
[22:08] <Writer9554> cosmo exactly
[22:08] <dmoore> PlagueRat--phew. Talk about your overachievers!
[22:08] <float> unbelievable
[22:08] <MountainMonk> dmoore, we all feel cranky I suspect. Noone
to strike at, noway to help or ease the suffering, a world that just seems
more and more hostile. You are right to feel as you do, and I blame noone
for blowing off steam today. I've done my share, that's for sure. Thanks
for your kind words.
[22:08] <float> this is not another 'news' day
[22:08] <bohunky> Intelligence had tails on Ben Laden until about
a yr ago
[22:08] <midwest> Camille,,,I believe your right
[22:08] <float> this is America's worst day
[22:08] <GeeWhiz> I would rather here more eyewitnesses and less
politicians right now. I want facts, not opinions
[22:08] <cosmo> Camille, yes Shrub will be pushed by his constitutents
to act. He's gonna blow it.
[22:08] <float> all you liberals think is 'oh goody'....we get to
attack Bush now
[22:08] * Zeno opens a poll. Which would you rather the culprit be: Homegrown
or Middle Eastern?
[22:08] <Keystone^> Bohunky, True, Clinton Adm. lost track of Bin
ladin.
[22:08] <dmoore> Zeno--if you think I'm a right-wing extremist,
you haven't been paying attention.
[22:08] <ML> Zeno well as a leftwing extremist ..hey
[22:09] <MountainMonk> Zeno, alot of rightwingers like me, you've
nver noticed that? :)
[22:09] <PlagueRat> float - apart from the fact that you are wrong,
you are also full of fertilizer.
[22:09] <Cal> amazing huh float
[22:09] <float> Cal...very
[22:09] <bohunky> Camille: but it shouldn't....the petty partisan
bickering does not measure to the tragedy & tasks at hand
[22:09] <Zeno> MountainMonk you're doing something wrong ;)
[22:09] <cosmo> Keystone, and Bush admin never found him.
[22:09] <GeeWhiz> saw first time today the person falling from way
up the WTC. So tragic
[22:09] <float> Cal...it indicates how weak they really are.
[22:09] <float> Cal...full of hate, full of spite
[22:09] <Pame> OHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOO!......
[22:09] <float> Cal....complete cowards
[22:09] <Pame> NO!
[22:09] <Pame> NOT!
[22:09] <Keystone^> Cosmo, Well they will very soon.
[22:09] <Brianna> float, remind you of anyone?
[22:09] <Roger_A> Zeno, odds are, Middle Eastern. For the apparent
financing, and coordination. But I do not profess to know
[22:09] <Bubble> hi Mingching
[22:09] <MountainMonk> Zeno, lol, it's because I'm temperamentally
a conservative, just not a Republican. :)
[22:09] <Pame> OMG NO!
[22:09] <Brianna> Hi Mingching
[22:09] <Zeno> 12 Did Eric Rudolph do this?
[22:09] <Mingching> hi Bubble
[22:09] <Glenlivet> float ... the GOP can go to hell as far as I
am concerned ... they are responsible for installing our dictator ...
and I have no intentions of playing nice any longer.
[22:09] <clay45> float....you can not understand conviction that
we really fault bush and his policies for causing this
[22:09] <bohunky> cosmo: Sr?....yeah, always had a hard time w/
him
[22:09] <maggiejo> bohunky no need for you to apologise, those who
cannot unite as a people for the most devastating day in America's history,
need to apologize to their country imo.
[22:09] <PlagueRat> float - just keep saying those things and eventually
you may even convince yourself that you are better than SOMEBODY....
[22:10] <float> Hi Mingching
[22:10] <float> Brianna...yes...Clinton
[22:10] <float> your hero
[22:10] <maggiejo> Mingching !!
[22:10] <Mingching> Float
[22:10] <Camille> cosmo, Bush has to be strong and not let national
emotions take over...but I don't have any clue that he is a strong enough
leader to dodge such a dangerous bullet. This is the ultimate test of
Bush.
[22:10] <Zeno> Roger_A, I was trying to add up how much a dozen
knives and a Microsoft Flight sim cost. Not a lot...:(
[22:10] <Mingching> maggiejo
[22:10] <Cal> hey Mingching
[22:10] <MountainMonk> I'm with Roger_A, probably Middle Eastern,
but lets hold our cards, we made that mistake before
[22:10] <Brianna> float, i meant yourself
[22:10] <Mingching> hey Cal
[22:10] <float> Brianna...how would you know?
[22:10] <Veritas> ML, like he's "pro-life", yet slyly
gets by that and goes along with embryonic stem cell research. Plus, that
will extend beyond his "limits", because they can extend the
lines.
[22:10] <bohunky> maggiejo: I apologize for them....Our country
needs us united
[22:10] <cosmo> Exactly Camille, and I'm afraid he will want to
"proove himself" and go off half cocked.
[22:10] <GeeWhiz> That microsoft sim is supposed to be so realistic
you can log it as sim time
[22:10] <Writer9554> maggiejo people do not need to applogize for
speaking out against an appointed presdient
[22:11] <float> cosmo......and if he does not?
[22:11] <PlagueRat> float - the death of 20,000 people IS A TRAGEDY...
the country needs to solve the problem. But that doesn't erase the fact
that Bush has filed to act like a leader today, and that simply emphasizes
how badly we got took.
[22:11] <Brianna> float becuase you have been so hate filled. so
willing to hurt anyone who didnt think Your way
[22:11] <Zeno> Gearry no doubt
[22:11] <Roger_A> Zeno, true, but the organization of such an effort
is not easy, and I don't see any home grown groups with either the capability,
or the motivation, for such an attack.
[22:11] <cosmo> float, no. Wait until you know where to shoot.
[22:11] <bohunky> maggiejo: I'll kick their a**e* later ;-)
[22:11] <ML> Glenlivet then maybe you should try some valium ?
[22:11] <float> Brianna..who have I hurt?
[22:11] <float> Brianna am I the issue now?
[22:11] <float> PlagueRat..he's my leader
[22:11] <Brianna> Hi Obscene
[22:11] <Mingching> obxscene
[22:11] <MountainMonk> GeeWhiz, it's ok, I recreated JFK2s last
flight plan, but had to use a Cessna, so couldn't learn anything from
it. Instrument were ok at duck in my sim.
[22:11] <Mingching> obscene
[22:11] <Zeno> Roger_A, I dunno, I am waiting to see. I have not
made a conclusion yet. thoughit is easy to pick Laden
[22:11] <Skullhunter> cripes, I still can't believe the reverse
angle shot on the second plane hitting the south tower. Cut through it
like an axe, no wonder it fell like it did.
[22:11] <ML> Veritas and that to you is "breaking all his campaign
promises " ???????
[22:11] <float> cosmo.....and we're not investigating this in the
strongest fashion possible?
[22:11] <MountainMonk> dusk
[22:11] <Obscene> Hello!!!!
[22:12] <Roger_A> Zeno, we agree there.
[22:12] <PlagueRat> float - yeah, well, not surprising that you
choose a drunken tounge tied stumble bum underacheiver as your leader.
[22:12] <Obscene> Hi Brianna
[22:12] <Obscene> Hi Mingching
[22:12] <dmoore> Roger_A--I have to agree with you there. But one
thing I heard once and then it seemed to be dropped was the Red Army Faction
(Japanese)--doesn't need to be Arab.
[22:12] <cosmo> float, I'm sure we are. And if he shows some restraint
and waits he'll be more respected.
[22:12] <Obscene> FLOATER!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:12] <float> PlagueRat...I know..you'd rather have a thousand
day pothead ruling the roost who tried by 4 votes to steal the election
[22:12] <maggiejo> Writer9554 Bush,Gore<Clinton, aren't what
it is about today , the country is torn apart and all some can do is try
to tear it further apart..just saddens me that being united as a ppl for
just one day seems so hard..
[22:12] <float> Hello Obscene!
[22:12] * PlagueRat still suspects the The Montana Freemen.
[22:12] <Zeno> Roger_A. Colombia is being ignored too. Ochoa was
just extradited
[22:12] <Camille> float, what did Bush say tonight that made you
feel that this couldn't happen again tomorrow?
[22:12] <GeeWhiz> Monk, has been years since I tried it. Itw as
very realistic but I did not like having to do trim and all that stuff.
I just want to do loops in corporate jets
[22:12] <float> cosmo.....we only wait till we know who did it...then
we take them out...this is an act of war.
[22:13] <bohunky> WRiter: its not just that...that combined w/ seemingly
sympathy for those who criticize Americans in general. Yes, we're fat
& sassy but we're not arrogant
[22:13] <float> Camille....I"ll tell you..
[22:13] <Cal> I am ashamed of some people here. America is better
than this. and Americans should be also
[22:13] <MountainMonk> GeeWhiz, lol. They have Lears
[22:13] <asa250> maggiejo....I will unite in a heartbeat behind
liberty and justice....but I will never bow to a tryantg
[22:13] <Mingching> 8,5What a horrible day in our nation's lifetime
[22:13] <PlagueRat> float - actually, I always favored McCain...
but don't let facts get in the way of your attempts to use this disaster
to drum up false support for the smiking chimp
[22:13] <float> Camille.....we will make NO disctinction between
the terrorists and the nations that harbor them
[22:13] <Cal> yes Mingching just horrible
[22:13] <Brianna> my gosh. he seems as though he wants to call his
mommy
[22:13] <bohunky> Writer: Brits & French are arrogant :-)
[22:13] <MountainMonk> what a horrible color to express it with.
:(
[22:13] <dmoore> Zeno--I wonder about Saddam. Not because he's sort
of the universal suspect, but he had lots of trained pilots and a bit
of a grudge.
[22:13] <Camille> float, we never did before?
[22:13] <Glenlivet> Cal ... do you accept our dictator as your President
... if you do .. then you have absolutely no complaint.
[22:13] <GeeWhiz> Monk, yeah, I ahve played with those. I know a
lot of guys who practice there instrument landings on them
[22:14] <ML> PlagueRat by the way you rant on Bush ..it seems like
Gore would have been the second coming ?? of Mondale maybe ..lol
[22:14] <Writer9554> maggiejo when and if we had a true leader then
I could agree with you but since that is not reality, then it is a sad
day when people are proud to call Bush a leader of the civilized world...
[22:14] <cosmo> Cal, you can accept this incompetent first fraud
if you want to.
[22:14] <float> Camille this means we will go after the terrorists
wherever they are regardless of which country they are in, regardless
of permission to get them
[22:14] <MountainMonk> GeeWhiz, I'm great at taking off, landing
is another matter. :)
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[22:14] <Brianna> right Writer9554!
[22:14] <Cal> Americans should unite and be supportive of America
[22:14] <float> This is war folks....it's not just another day at
summer camp
[22:14] <Mingching> Cal, I should've stayed home.....i saw on the
news before I left...i put in my 8 hrs. anyway
[22:14] <bohunky> dang! people!...Ben Laden is guiltier than Gary
Condit & we've got thousands of bodies!
[22:14] <asa250> Cal....we would and will when we get it back
[22:14] <float> I don't believe it's sunk in yet for many of you
[22:14] <Obscene> 2The pentagon is at 80% efficeincy it has 4 sides
left. 4/5 x 100% = 80%
[22:14] <cosmo> float, that is BS. What if they are hiding in England
or Israel?
[22:14] <MountainMonk> float, would be nice to know who we are at
war with?
[22:14] <maggiejo> asa250 this isn't about that this is about YOU
and every other American still at war with each other when America itself
has been attacked....
[22:14] <Pame> Yesterday is gone........tomorrow is.....iffy
[22:14] <GeeWhiz> Landings are not so bad. Do like in real life.
Just pick a point on the runway and fly your plane to it
[22:14] <Brianna> he was selected by the sc not by the american
people. my vote and yours did not count.
[22:14] <Zeno> dmoore. I suspect it may be someone no one has considered
right now. The media is going for the easy target.
[22:14] <Camille> float, big deal..if they aren't identified, how
can we go after them? If they are identified, why didn't we already go
after them
[22:14] <dmoore> MountainMonk--that *would* be a serious complication--unless
you wanted to fly only once.
[22:15] <float> MountainMonk...all terrorist groups now
[22:15] <float> all of them
[22:15] <PlagueRat> ML - once again you draw a false conclusion...
you keep WANTING to paint me into your preconclusions... last tiem you
called Clinton "the love of my life". Suddenly you decide that
Gore is "the love of my life", RIGHT after I said that I favored
McCain...
[22:15] <Mingching> Pame, that's scary
[22:15] <Writer9554> American are supportive of America but that
does not mean we have to untite behind the select president
[22:15] <Glenlivet> Cal ... if Americans unite ... then our first
order of business should be kicking the fraud sitting in the Oval Office
out on his butt
[22:15] <MountainMonk> dmoore, lol, yes, landing is a big factor.
Sorta important. :)
[22:15] <float> Camille...we will go after terrorist...the ones
who did this..and all terrorists...this is the end of days for terrorism
[22:15] <Brianna> exactly, Glen
[22:15] <Writer9554> Glenlivet wtg
[22:15] <Pame> MingChing.....we don't know if they'll be more attacks
today....and if there are, where?
[22:15] <cosmo> PlagueRat, you must be a heartbreaker to have so
many Loves of your life. ;)
[22:15] <ML> PlagueRat when did i say Gore was ?
[22:15] <PlagueRat> Cal - i support AMERICA... I am saddened that
America will have to get through this IN SPITE of the smirking chimp.
[22:15] <Locke> Writer9554: exactly. our duty is to our Fellow Americans,
including shrub, but we don't have to agree with his crazy politics to
pull together against a common enemy
[22:15] <Cal> True Americans will unite and support America and
stop the pettiness
[22:15] <Zeno> Imagine there's no heaven
[22:15] <Zeno> It's easy if you try
[22:15] <Zeno> No hell below us
[22:15] <Writer9554> PlagueRat exactly
[22:15] <Obscene> 4 Nuke em till they glow and shoot them in the
dark!
[22:15] <Roger_A> Cal, I've seen people blame Clinton, and every
non conservative since Hoover, along with Bush, and every non Liberal
since FDR. But let's not confuse doubt of Bush's abilities, with a lack
of patriotism. For it is not so. I STRONGLY hope that Bush grows in this
crisis. For it would be the best thing for the nation as a whole. But
I am not confident he can.
[22:16] <Skullhunter> "Supportive of America" doesn't
mean "keep quiet and don't speak your mind". I remind you all
again, this isn't Soviet Russia. We're not supposed to be smashing people
for not marching in lockstep with the rest of the nation. Just because
someone doesn't call for bloody revenge doesn't make them any less than
any other American.
[22:16] <ML> PlagueRat when did i say that Gore was that to you
?
[22:16] <bohunky> They don't have to nuke Laden....arrest him, transport
him for fair trial & string his guts out lil' by lil' all the way
back from Afganistan
[22:16] <Zeno> Above us only sky
[22:16] <Zeno> Imagine all the people
[22:16] <Zeno> Living for today...
[22:16] <GeeWhiz> When working on my license, I had trouble landing
with a clean windsheild because I got used to lining up my approach by
keeping a bug splatter on the center of the runway across the threshold
[22:16] <PlagueRat> ML - okay, you used the term "second coming"
instead of "love of your life".... same difference. :18: ML:
PlagueRat by the way you rant on Bush ..it seems like Gore would have
been the second coming ??
[22:16] <Veritas> ML, if he even broke one; he'll break them all
[22:16] <maggiejo> Writer9554 you aren't even standing together
as a nation of ppl let alone standing behind Bush
[22:16] <Camille> float, do be so confident...all terrorists groups
are using today's events as a case study to copy. No deterrant...just
more terrorism
[22:16] <Zeno> Imagine there's no countries
[22:16] <Zeno> It isn't hard to do
[22:16] <Zeno> Nothing to kill or die for
[22:16] <Mingching> Pame, those terrorists' days are numbered, I
hope.......they've killed too many on our turf
[22:16] <midwest> Good night to all , pray for those who died and
the families they left behind...
[22:16] <MountainMonk> float, even the Polisario, the Shining path?
All of them?
[22:16] <Zeno> 12And no religion too
[22:16] <Zeno> Imagine all the people
[22:16] <Zeno> Living life in peace...
[22:16] <Brianna> gnite midwest
[22:16] <ML> same difference ? lol
[22:16] <Pame> MingChing we don't know.....
[22:16] <float> Camille that is why we will go after any terrorism
group
[22:16] <float> MountainMonk....maybe so
[22:16] <Zeno> 12Imagine no possessions
[22:16] <Zeno> I wonder if you can
[22:16] <Zeno> No need for greed or hunger
[22:17] <maggiejo> midwest night
[22:17] <Cal> night midwest.
[22:17] <cosmo> float, including Americans?
[22:17] <Veritas> Klamath farmers plus other farmers in the US have
had their water cut off. Bush does nothing
[22:17] <cosmo> float, skinheads?
[22:17] <Mingching> Pame, they can't hide forever
[22:17] <midwest> Nite....ALL
[22:17] <Writer9554> maggiejo excuse me but I do not as an American
have to stand behind a select president and that is my right so get used
to it
[22:17] <bohunky> Skullhunter: bloody revenge is the exaggeration...Is
not revenge or justice warranted?
[22:17] <Zeno> 12A brotherhood of man
[22:17] <Zeno> Imagine all the people
[22:17] <Zeno> Sharing all the world.
[22:17] <Camille> float, with star wars missiles?
[22:17] <Mingching> nite midwest
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[22:17] <float> cosmo...any terrorists
[22:17] <Veritas> wildlife that farmers were taking care of are
dead and dying. Bush does nothing.
[22:17] <Pame> I hope there were NO anthrax on board that plane,
if so, my God NY will become a dying tomb.....
[22:17] <Brianna> you think alot of young men will line up to follow
a guy who spent his time awol? i dont
[22:17] <Obscene> 2Zeno: have you taken part in any demonstrations
supporting Bin Ladin?
[22:17] <Locke> we are a nation of individuals! that's where our
famous ingenuity comes from! that's how we thought up the great strategies
that have allowed us such dominance in warfare
[22:17] <cosmo> float, well I can get behind that.
[22:17] <dmoore> Roger_A--no matter what, he's the only President
we got at the moment. I agree with you. We'll have plenty of time to argue
over him some other time. Right now, I'm pulling for the people in power,
and that includes him.
[22:17] <Mingching> Pame, no doubt, that was my fear
[22:17] <Zeno> 12You may say I'm a dreamer
[22:17] <Zeno> But I'm not the only one
[22:17] <Zeno> I hope someday you'll join us
[22:17] <Zeno> And the world will live as one
[22:17] <Glenlivet> float ... btw .. you remember my predicting
gas would go to $3 ... well ... it's selling for $5 a gallon in Oklahoma
tonight.
[22:18] <Locke> I tell you one thing -- no german would have thought
to get native americans to talk in code for them
[22:18] <Zeno> Obscene. no why?
[22:18] <float> Locke...we are one nation.
[22:18] <PlagueRat> Pame - you got that right... although putting
anthrax spores in a plane doomed to become a FIREball would be a poor
vectoring strategy.
[22:18] <GeeWhiz> my understanding is most of those farmers can
have water. They just are too cheap to dig a well and expect the gov't
to provide it to them so they do not, lord forbid, spend some money to
make money
[22:18] <float> Glenlivet..by sharks
[22:18] <Pame> MingChing the CDC here in Atlanta are on their way
there in response....
[22:18] <Skullhunter> Veritas, I live near that area. The Klamath
farmers were fools to grow crops that sensitive in the Klamath basin.
It's part of Oregon's High Desert region. And even if the fed said the
heck with the fish and wildlife, they still wouldn't have had enough water
for the growing season. That's why they call it a 'drought'.
[22:18] <bohunky> Zeno: do u feel that gives comfort to others at
a time like this?
[22:18] <Roger_A> dmoore, me too. For it would be the best thing
for our nation. I hope he steps up, but I fear he can't. Let's hope I
am pleasantly surprised.
[22:18] <Pame> Rat, true, but who knows.....
[22:18] <Obscene> Zeno: you are from the Seattle area.
[22:18] <MountainMonk> 12We are worried about the Golden Gate bridge
here, and the Transamerica Pyramid, BofA building. You folks have local
patrols going on?
[22:18] <Pame> Some COULD survive...
[22:18] <float> Glenlivet..that is not the marketplace, but opportunistic
jerks
[22:18] <float> Glenlivet..much like liberals here tonight
[22:18] <Cal> Roger you will be
[22:18] <maggiejo> Writer9554 didn't say you had to but perhaps
to stand with your fellow countrymen in an hour of need may be worthwhile.
[22:18] <cosmo> float, why are you calling us jerks?
[22:18] <Brianna> MountainMonk, theyve closed alot of roads into
major cities here
[22:19] <Mingching> 4,1Has anyone heard from Samurai tonigh>?
[22:19] <Zeno> Bot I feel like it gioves comfort to people who are
hurt
[22:19] <Cal> cosmo ????
[22:19] <Zeno> Obscene yes
[22:19] <PlagueRat> Pame - better strategy would be to spread them
with tiny bombs (M-80 sized) from cars parked nearby...
[22:19] <Pame> MM, yes..... downtown Atlanta has a lot of federal
buidlings, including a federal court house......
[22:19] <Skullhunter> bohunky, I have never said that we shouldn't
do anything. I am saying that the last thing we need to start doing is
swinging wildly like a punchdrunk prizefighter.
[22:19] <bohunky> Skullhunter: so they're fools eh...is that what
Klamath is all about...fools wanting water?
[22:19] <maggiejo> Mingching no
[22:19] <Brianna> cosmo, thats all he knows how to do
[22:19] <Pame> Ming Ching, no why?
[22:19] <float> cosmo....because this is not another day...this
is America's darkest day
[22:19] <Camille> dmoore, when it comes to the thousands and thousands
of victims, this country needs to pull together. But if we are following
along a failed path of defense then maybe this could be a constructive
way to change that.
[22:19] <float> cosmo..it's not a day for partisanship
[22:19] <MountainMonk> float, stop it with the 'liberal' nonsense.
Karma like that, you're likely to end up in a foxhole with one. :)
[22:19] <Locke> float: I understand that our views upset you, but
do you accept that we have the right to be such awful jerks, even if it
isn't polite?
[22:19] <Mingching> Samurai lives on the East coast
[22:19] <Writer9554> maggiejo I am standing with my fellow Americans
and speaking out against your select president
[22:19] <Veritas> Skullhunter, they trusted that they could farm
for the rest of their lives. THAT was the deal
[22:19] <MountainMonk> Brianna, where is that?
[22:19] <bohunky> Skullhunter: excellent suggestion...don't do that...so
far ur the only one who has remotely suggested such
[22:19] <Glenlivet> float ... too bad you forget your vicious attacks
on Clinton so quickly ... now you want to play nice ... forget it ...
we are going to get Bush out of office as fast as the law allows
[22:19] <GeeWhiz> I do not think they would target the golden gate.
not enough casualties. They would be more likely to take out lady liberty
me thinks if those are the types of targets they were loking for
[22:19] <Pame> MingChing alot of do....I'm on the east coast....
[22:19] <float> Locke....you'll have to endure the consequences
[22:19] <Cal> It is a day to come together for America. Not a time
to be little and petty
[22:20] <Skullhunter> bohunky, it's about fools growing crops in
a desert region that don't belong in a desert region. What, did none of
them ever hear the phrase "don't put all your eggs in one basket"?
[22:20] <dmoore> Roger--he's not alone in this. And I'm not talking
about the people he brought in with him. There's also the permanent gov.
(NSA) and I bet other governments are sniffing around.
[22:20] <float> Glenlivet..I never attacked Clinton for defending
America..nor would I on America's blackest day
[22:20] <Zeno> Who is the enemy Obscene?
[22:20] <Obscene> Zeno: well isn't that where all the anarchists/Comunists
are from these days?
[22:20] <Veritas> And Skullhunter, the Fed said the heck with the
farmers, the American people, and the fish and wildlife, but said "let's
save the sucker fish"
[22:20] <cosmo> float, we all agree something needs to be done.
We've all been hurt. We just dont trust a usurper of the Presidency, a
dry drunk, a liar and deserter as the one to do it.
[22:20] <asa250> Glenlivet...I say let's all unite behind liberty
and justice...let Bush resign....get a real president.
[22:20] <PlagueRat> float - nonsense... you attacked Clinton for
EXISTING. Give it a break.
[22:20] <float> This is not about Bush
[22:20] <ML> Glenlivet wake me up in 3 yrs ...meanwhile you can
be angry in the meantime
[22:20] <Mingching> Pame, but Samurai is usually here, especially
on an occasion like this
[22:20] <Zeno> Obscene where?
[22:20] <float> It's about war in America
[22:20] <float> PlagueRat....I already told you
[22:20] <Brianna> yes float did
[22:20] <PlagueRat> cosmo - you are assuming he's dried out... I'm
not sure.
[22:20] <bohunky> Skullhunter: so the Klamath water issue is about
foolish water requirements?
[22:21] <Mingching> Not that we've had similar occasions
[22:21] <float> cosmo....you forget the over a thousand times Gore
got stoned.
[22:21] <maggiejo> Writer9554 then go ahead as you see fit and pray
for those who died today who would be happy to just be alive regardless
of who was President :-(
[22:21] <Pame> OMG look at this FOOTAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:21] <Glenlivet> asa250 .. my thoughts exactly ... I'll support
our troops .. but will never support the fraud the SC gave us.
[22:21] <Obscene> Zeno: Seattle
[22:21] <cosmo> float, did I say Gore was the right man for the
job?
[22:21] <^imagi^> some sick puppies in here
[22:21] <Cal> maggiejo :))))\
[22:21] <Pame> This is INCREDIABLE!
[22:21] <Mingching> Pame, what channel?
[22:21] <float> Pame..what's new?
[22:21] <Zeno> Obscene. where are you from?
[22:21] <Pame> MingChing CNN.....
[22:21] <PlagueRat> GORE - who is gore? Why does float keep bringing
up gore? He's about as important as Dole or Dukakis....
[22:21] <MountainMonk> Pame. yopu saw CNNs low angle shot I see?
[22:21] <bohunky> Skullhunter: they refuse them water becuz they
are fools?
[22:21] <float> cosmo...did you?
[22:21] <asa250> Glenlivet....I just hope the politians allow our
troops to defend us
[22:21] <GeeWhiz> If this happened down the street from you, would
you really be chatting politics right now or would you be out helping?
I think that is a good measure of what kind of country we are
[22:21] <Cal> imagi for sure. It really saddens me
[22:21] <cosmo> float, no I didn't.
[22:21] <boiler> Veritas,,there's 35 million acres in the soil bank,we're
paying farmers not to farm
[22:21] <Brianna> just turned on art bell. he's taking c alls
[22:21] <Skullhunter> Veritas, they made a decision that made the
most sense. There wasn't enough water for them anyway, it would have only
prolonged the inevitable, not magically extended the growing season to
allow them to get their crops grown, harvested and to market. It wouldn't
have worked, no matter what the outside agitators that have descended
on the area say.
[22:21] <Pame> MM, its of a doctor who was THERE at ground zero
when the building collapsed.....
[22:21] <Camille> cosmo, I agree it's painful to attack one of our
own on such a horrendous day...the fact is more than half of the country
doubts Bush's leadership ability when such a crisis demands leadership
qualities, so it's a legitimate question.
[22:22] <Mingching> Pame, isn't it terrible?, I saw this one earlier
[22:22] <Writer9554> maggiejo that is exactly why your select president
should resign becasue he is responsible for his lack of knowlege...
[22:22] <maggiejo> FUBUKI !
[22:22] <Pame> The sound was incrediable.....he hide behind a car
and it turned to night.....
[22:22] <Writer9554> and he should resign
[22:22] <Glenlivet> asa250 ... you can look for Bush to declare
martial law and suspend the Constitution and Congress
[22:22] * Zeno thinks maybe PeTa did this?
[22:22] <float> Camille...not true....its is simply not true over
half of America is questioning Bush today
[22:22] <PlagueRat> Camille - I was giving him the benefit of the
doubt... but that speach he gave was TERRIBLE.... he was totally uninspiring.
[22:22] <FUBUKI> hi
[22:22] <cosmo> Camille, I would have felt better if he'd given
a decent speech today. It was dry, cold and lacking in inspiration.
[22:22] <Zeno> hi FUBUKI
[22:22] <MountainMonk> looks like bloody Berlin, 1945. :(
[22:22] <Mingching> hi fubuki
[22:22] <Skullhunter> bohunky, they refused them water because it
wouldn't have done them any good. It'd be like giving a bag of candy to
a starving diabetic.
[22:22] <Veritas> no, Skullhunter, if you will check your grocery
prices in a while, you will see.
[22:22] <bohunky> Skullhunter: of course fools don't need water
nor deserve water. Water should be prevented from fools
[22:22] <dmoore> Glenlivet--nonsense.
[22:22] <Pame> There are people coughing and choking.....
[22:22] <Obscene> .
[22:22] <asa250> Glenlivet...or for Bush to declare Marshall Law
and that Jeffords is a Repub again.
[22:22] <GeeWhiz> I do not trust any single person's leadership
ability in a tragedy like that. It is the strength of democracy that we
have many leaders who can come together when push comes to shove
[22:23] <Veritas> you will also see that we no longer get food from
the farmers who used to provide it
[22:23] <Pame> This doesn't look real......it doesn't look real.....
[22:23] <Glenlivet> dmoore ... like the nonsense that Bush would
steal the election?
[22:23] <Mingching> Pame, yes,....and i had the nerve to go to work
when this was happening
[22:23] <ML> Camille Clinton today said to "support president
bush , not second guess him" so follow your leader
[22:23] <bohunky> Skullhunter: why don't they lock these fools up
before they hurt themselves?
[22:23] <Brianna> no Pame, it doesnt
[22:23] <dmoore> Pame--I thought that all day. It looked like a
movie with bad special effects.
[22:23] <float> PlagueRat...you may not like his tone, or whatever
you dislike..but his words have meaning, I trust we both will see the
words backed with a pounding retalitation
[22:23] <Pame> Please tell me this a movie.....
[22:23] <asa250> ABC is again doing a great job
[22:23] <PlagueRat> ML - CLinton ain't president anymore...
[22:23] <Writer9554> Glenlivet then we can have the USSC back him
again
[22:23] <ML> PlagueRat he is to some women .......
[22:23] <Cal> People need to try to rise above their partisanship
and be an American First
[22:23] <Camille> PlagueRat, it doesn't take a great memory to remember
how Clinton could bring this country together under an extreme crisis
like OK City. Even though the magnitude is far different. But the glaring
lack in leadership with Bush is a legitimate issue.
[22:23] <Mingching> Pame.......this is a shocking day
[22:24] <PlagueRat> float - who knows... but he didn't inspire me
1/10'th as much as Hastert....
[22:24] <dmoore> Glenlivet--the GOP would call for his impeachment
over that. You think they want to lose power?
[22:24] <deacon^> Cal- and fast
[22:24] <Skullhunter> bohunky, how conveniently you latch on to
one element of my post and ignore all the rest. Let me spell it out for
you. There wasn't enough water to do them any good, even if they drained
that area dry and gave the farmers every single drop.
[22:24] <float> I'll tell you one thing...you liberals better hope
your leaders don't politicize this.....You're gonna lose big in 2002
[22:24] <Veritas> The FED refused the water because the ESA and
EPA wanted to save a sucker fish. They further want these farmer's lands.
It is happening all over the U.S.
[22:24] <Zeno> Cal. too bad GOPers support America but seem to hate
Americans
[22:24] <Writer9554> Cal we are being Americans and saying we do
not like Bush the same way the GOP feel they can speak against Clinton
[22:24] <GeeWhiz> I think ABC has a horrible staff. They have done
such a bad job with stuff in the past, I wouldn't watch if it were the
only network on the air
[22:24] <MountainMonk> Mingching, nice to meet you sir. Sorry I
didn't say 'hi' earlier. :)
[22:24] <cosmo> Cal, we Are Americans first. That does not mean
blind fielty to a usurper.
[22:24] <Brianna> Pame, thats what i thought it was when i turned
on the set
[22:24] <Glenlivet> dmoore ... with a suspended Congress ... they
have no power to impeach
[22:24] <Cal> Zeno try to rise above it
[22:24] <Mingching> floar, this is no time to get out your party's
flag
[22:24] <Mingching> float
[22:24] <bohunky> Skullhunter: and the water is now being used for??????
[22:24] <Pame> Ming a friend of mine's husband worked on the 78th
floor....he has not been heard from....and someone said earlier they were
late going to work and he worked on the 78th floor and everyone up there
was dead.....
[22:24] <float> Mingching...that's what I have been saying
[22:24] <Zeno> Cal. who do you think did this?
[22:24] <Cal> Pettiness will do us no good at this time
[22:24] <Obscene> 2One of Clintons first actions as president was
to reduce the number of spies we had overseas.
[22:24] <badmojo> so far bush has been doing pretty good, except
with a few of the larger words on the telepromter, but hey, he really
didnt have that much time to practice.
[22:25] <Brianna> float, thats all youve done every day here is
politisize
[22:25] <Mingching> MountainMonk, I'm a lady, and nice to meet you
to Sir
[22:25] <asa250> mingching...float is showing us his "war face"
[22:25] <float> cosmo.....what vote count did Gore win...any breaking
new tonight on new Gore recounts?
[22:25] <dmoore> Glenlivet--When I lived in DC, there were troops
in the street which seemed pretty surreal at the time. If Nixon didn't
declare martial law, Bush won't/
[22:25] <Veritas> bohunky, the ESA and EPA are saving it so they
can have their hemp farms
[22:25] <ML> Obscene hmmm
[22:25] <Mingching> asa....lol
[22:25] <bohunky> Veritas: ha
[22:25] <float> Brianna...no, I have responded to liberals nutty
attack on Bush
[22:25] <MountainMonk> Mingching, more so the pleasure than, all
mine. :)
[22:25] <float> news
[22:25] <Skullhunter> bohunky, it's being used to maintain habitat
for several species of fish, which in turn are barely enough to provide
food for fish-eating birds like the bald eagle.
[22:25] <Brianna> see float? thats all youve done so stop critizining
those of us who do
[22:25] <cosmo> float, the USSC decided the election. Something
specifically forbidden by the founding fathers.
[22:25] <PlagueRat> Obscene - trying to score political points over
this, eh? Well, you just wait until float rips you a new one... (*laugh*
as if float would EVER criticize anybody who said anything bad about Clinton).
[22:25] <Glenlivet> dmoore .. Nixon was legally elected ... Bush
has already proven he'll do anything to get power
[22:25] <Brianna> bs float
[22:25] <Mingching> float, my apologies
[22:25] <ML> hey Mingching !
[22:26] <Mingching> hi ML
[22:26] <Mingching> ?
[22:26] <Zeno> Glenlivet, I don't think Nixon was legally elected.
[22:26] <float> cosmo....who recounted all the dimples to say Bush's
lead increased 300% to 1,65?
[22:26] <float> Mingching np :)
[22:26] <Camille> Like it or not, Bush is what he is. A son of a
President who was installed into the Presidency. If he can rise above
mediocracy in the most extreme test, then so be it. If he can't then the
people have a right act out against him in some democratic way or another.
[22:26] <Mingching> :)
[22:26] * PlagueRat caanot believe float actually said this sort of crap
on this day.... --> 1:30: float: cosmo.....what vote count did Gore
win...
[22:26] <bohunky> Skullhunter: now who is the fool?....nevermind,
U've made that clear
[22:26] <Brianna> lol
[22:26] <Obscene> PlaugeRat: its true. He wanted to maximize the
peace dividend.
[22:26] <Writer9554> Zeno where do you think Bush got his ideas
from...
[22:26] <dmoore> Glenlivet--I don't like Bush. Didn't vote for him
(or his dad) and won't vote for him next time. But you're making him into
a bigger deal than he is.
[22:26] <float> PlagueRat...right....the popular vote does not matter.
[22:26] <Skullhunter> Funny, the farmers had no problem with the
fed when they were getting subsidies to grow crops in an area that such
crops don't survive. Now the fed is evil since they're not handing out
money anymore.
[22:27] <Zeno> Writer9554. I don;t think bush actually thinks
[22:27] <float> PlagueRat....the Constitution provides the electoral
vote decides the President
[22:27] <MountainMonk> 4I'm as opposed to the Bush Pretension as
the next guy. I feel this is not a good time to be arguing this though.
We can get back to old grudges later. Let's concentrate on matters at
hand.
[22:27] <Writer9554> heheh Zeno LOL
[22:27] <Glenlivet> dmoore ... legit question ... what makes you
think you will vote again?
[22:27] <Brianna> float, you love a loser. he has always been a
loser is a loser now and will be a loser come tomorrow
[22:27] <float> PlagueRat...what vote count in FL did Gore win.?
What recount breaking news is there tonight?
[22:27] * PlagueRat pats float on the head... *I'm sorry, I keep mistaking
you for an adult*
[22:27] <Cal> here here MountainMonk
[22:27] <float> Brianna..he's President.
[22:27] <GeeWhiz> I am pretty irritated with the anti-Bush stuff
today, and I don't like him. I think I will just turn in so I can go give
some of my soy based blood in the a.m. Goodnight All
[22:27] <Veritas> bohunky if you go to the Klamath site, you would
see what REALLY is happening.
[22:27] <Brianna> not mine he isnt, float
[22:27] <bohunky> Skullhunter: 5 firemen were fools for wanting
water that protected fish crapped in.
[22:27] <float> PlagueRat....haha....you'd have a broken wrist to
pat me on the head
[22:27] <Zeno> MountainMonkok let;s clean up, get the survivors
out and figure out who did this. THEN decide on an action.
[22:27] <Mingching> 12My question is, who is giving blood?
[22:27] <deacon^> i don't think the impact of what happened today
has set in......
[22:27] <maggiejo> night GeeWhiz
[22:27] <bohunky> Veritas: yeah I know
[22:27] <Skullhunter> bohunky, yes I have. The fool would be the
one that would destroy an entire habitat to provide a piddling ammount
of water that would sustain their farms for a few months.
[22:28] *** Quits: GeeWhiz (QUIT: User exited )
[22:28] <Mingching> nite Gee
[22:28] <float> Brianna...what are you doing here then?
[22:28] <Brianna> Mingching, they enough blood for now i saw
[22:28] <Veritas> Skullhunter, yeah, and YOU were eating the farmers'
food they grew
[22:28] <Camille> Bush has no deep bench of support. He better perform...no
crap press releases. So far, just lackluster readings of press releases.
Doesn't look good.
[22:28] <badmojo> im sure the klamath farmers are very objective
on their website
[22:28] <float> Brianna...lots of Democrats threatened to leave
America...why are they still here?
[22:28] <Cal> good night Geewhiz and God Bless
[22:28] <Brianna> float, what do you mean what am i doing here?
[22:28] <bohunky> Skullhunter: ever been thirsty...ever had a home?..ever
had chicken?
[22:28] <Brianna> float, cus we need money to leave
[22:28] <MountainMonk> Zeno, right, we can argue the shrubs legitamcy
any old day. We have Americans suffering right now. Best to concentrate
on that.
[22:28] <Obscene> .
[22:28] <PlagueRat> lessee - THOUSANDS dead in NYC, and we are talking
about Klamatch Farmer's water rights? Boy, nice to see we got our priorities
straight here.
[22:28] <Mingching> Brianna, good to hear, but they haven't recovered
everyone yet
[22:28] <float> Brianna. don't worry..we'll buy you a one way ticket
out of America
[22:29] <Brianna> true, Mingching. they will need more in a day
or two
[22:29] <Veritas> it all ties in, PlagueRat, whether you want to
see it or not.
[22:29] <dmoore> Glenlivet--I expect to be alive, so I suppose you
expect there won't be an election. Sheesh, how old are you? Just in my
lifetime, which has been a less turbulent time than some in this country,
the country has been in worse internal danger than this.
[22:29] <Brianna> float, im waiting......
[22:29] <Zeno> MountainMonk, if this is homegrown, we are in deep
doodoo
[22:29] * PlagueRat buys float a one way asbestos ticket...
[22:29] <badmojo> veritas: perhaps you can connect the dots for
us.
[22:29] <MountainMonk> Zeno, I think it's not, and I think we are
still in deep.
[22:29] <bohunky> people who support animals over people' homes,
families, right to happiness can go eat w/ the animals...
[22:29] <Skullhunter> bohunky, yeah. But if I had to, I can MOVE
to where there's water, shelter, and maybe a chicken or two. I'd be smart
enough not to expect it to be GIVEN to me. Funny, that sounds almost like
welfare. People expecting the government to provide what they can't provide
for themselves.
[22:29] <Glenlivet> dmoore ... but never in your life have you had
so much corruption sitting in the Oval Office ...
[22:29] <Cal> Rise above pettiness and support America
[22:29] <asa250> dmoore...are you sure about the danger we face.....we
could have a biological attack....
[22:29] <deacon^> much to be said about the press, concentrating
on condit for months and ignoring real issues like terrorism, but thats
for another time..
[22:30] <cosmo> Ooo badmojo, you just asked for badjuju.
[22:30] <Zeno> 12 News Flash ...Bush Admin announces the Attack
on America was done by a lone person!
[22:30] <Mingching> deacon^!!!
[22:30] <dmoore> Glenlivet--I worked for someone more corrupt--Nixon.
[22:30] <deacon^> hi Mingching
[22:30] <Pame> Zeno WHO??????
[22:30] <Brianna> when we get a real president, one who we elect
i will support him. not this fraud though
[22:30] <MountainMonk> Zeno, a quadrophenic?
[22:30] <asa250> zeno...a deranged postal worker?
[22:30] <Pame> 4Zeno WHO??????
[22:30] <PlagueRat> dmoore - Nixon at least won the election.
[22:30] <float> 4One day when you liberls realize the significance
of what happened today you're going to regret acting with such shallow
hatred towards the President who will take very strong action to end world
terror.
[22:30] <cosmo> Cal, what don't you understand. We do support America.
[22:30] <Glenlivet> dmoore ... GW makes Nixon look like a choir
boy
[22:30] <fleep> Pame ... it was an attempt at levity
[22:30] <Camille> Today, thousands of Americans were killed by fellow
Americans on American air flights...not truck bombs or car bombs. The
fall out of this event is unimaginable.
[22:30] <Cal> cosmo read the scripts
[22:31] <Locke> float: I fail to see how more aggression will end
aggression forever.
[22:31] <Zeno> Sorry pame. bad joke :(
[22:31] <Pame> fleep ok....
[22:31] <Roger_A> 1,15 http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/investigation.terrorism/
- 2,15http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/investigation.terrorism/-
[22:31] * Obscene finishes loading one 30 round banna clip with bacon
fat bullets.
[22:31] <Pame> Zeno that's ok......
[22:31] <PlagueRat> float - one day, when you realize how partisan
you are and how silly your words are, you will hang your head in shame...
[22:31] <bohunky> Skullhunter govt provide water??????? I don't
see that...govt owns the water?
[22:31] <float> Locke...self defense is liberating
[22:31] <cosmo> Cal, I have been reading the scripts. You want us
to support Shrub. Well, when he does something worth supporting he'll
get that support.
[22:31] <float> PlagueRat..I stand by my statement
[22:31] <Brianna> lol
[22:31] <Roger_A> PlagueRat, that assumes that one day, he becomes
self aware.
[22:31] <Locke> float: there will always be those who hate.
[22:31] <Mingching> Thanks Rog
[22:31] <asa250> Cal...not only do we support america.....some of
us fought for it....some have suffered lifetime disabilities.....we are
patriots.....
[22:31] <Skullhunter> Cripes, if some idiot decides to try and grow
rice in Utah, you expect the government to babysit them and give them
handouts, but goodness forbid someone who's actually destitute because
of bad circumstances instead of bad choices should get a leg up.
[22:31] <Roger_A> 1,15 WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. officials investigating
the series of attacks Tuesday in New York and Washington are setting their
sights on Osama bin Laden, the millionaire Saudi fugitive who has been
blamed for past terrorist attacks against American targets.
[22:31] <Cal> cosmo no just rise above the partanships and pettiness.
[22:31] <PlagueRat> float - good, cause I sure wouldn't want to
stand downwind of your statements...
[22:31] <bohunky> makes me want to strangle my own cat......here
kitty!
[22:31] <Brianna> yes asa250
[22:31] <Pame> Wait.....has ANYTHING been said WHO the HIJACKERS
were?.....
[22:31] <MountainMonk> Camille, the copy cat potential is scary.
Hamas is probably looking at this and saying 'to hell with the knapsacks,
we'll crash planes into Tel Aviv".
[22:31] <bohunky> Did I say I was upset?
[22:32] <maggiejo> DragonFeather !!
[22:32] <Mingching> no Pame, not yet
[22:32] <Roger_A> 1,15 "There are good indications that persons
linked to Osama bin Laden may be responsible for these attacks,"
an intelligence official told CNN.
[22:32] <M_Ca> 4 Today dubbed Black Wednesday in the International
Markets
[22:32] <Zeno> Pame, not yet. though we will know from the wreckage
[22:32] <dmoore> PlagueRat--and not with any manipulation, right?
I was deeply involved in the '72 election. The GOP did all it could to
get the weakest Dem candidate, and it did. When I regained my ethics,
I left town.
[22:32] <DragonFeather> hi maggiejo
[22:32] <Cal> Such a sad sad day.
[22:32] <Pame> We have no description of their nationality....
[22:32] <float> Locke.... 3Eternal Vigilance Is The Cost Of Freedom
[22:32] <Mingching> I agree Cal
[22:32] <Pame> Zeno, not necessarily.....
[22:32] <PlagueRat> dmoore - Nixon was the last republican I voted
for president...
[22:32] <Camille> MM, exactly. The reprecussions of this is staggering!
[22:32] <Roger_A> 1,15 Intelligence sources said they based their
assessment on new information they had gathered Tuesday afternoon, hours
after airplanes slammed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
They did not rule out the possibility that other groups may have been
involved.
[22:32] <badmojo> the nsc have a suspect, theyre just trying to
fill in the missing links.
[22:32] <Zeno> Pame the PA crash will tell us
[22:32] <Skullhunter> What a wonderful double standard, no help
for a mother with two kids and a deadbeat ex, but let's give all the help
we can to some moron who tries to cultivate corn in Death Valley.
[22:33] <Cal> Mingching I would love to see more compassion and
true heartfelt feeling
[22:33] <M_Ca> 4 We have an International Stock market crash on
our hands folks!
[22:33] <PlagueRat> Skull- you got a point there.
[22:33] <Locke> float: how ironic that you would say that. constant
vigilance in defense of free speach is exactly what I'm trying to accomplish
[22:33] <cosmo> Well, I guess we can call it the Quadragon now.
[22:33] <MountainMonk> Skullhunter, umm, there isn't any water in
Death Valley.
[22:33] <bohunky> NO! don't jump to conclusions....maybe its another
Ben Laden...Yosama or Yomama or Pullmyfinger Ben Laden
[22:33] <Roger_A> 1,15 Terrorism experts, after reviewing the magnitude
of the attacks, said few groups in the world would have the resources
to carry out such a highly coordinated sequence of destruction. One of
those organizations, they said, would be the Al Quaida group headed by
bin Laden, who also is the suspected mastermind of the 1998 bombings of
two U.S. embassies in Africa.
[22:33] <asa250> Cal...I would too, but Bush is Bush
[22:33] <PlagueRat> Locke - you TOO have a good point.
[22:33] <dmoore> PlagueRat--I voted for him twice--and both times
he lost the state where I voted, which was quite a trick in '72. (I voted
in DC)
[22:33] <Mingching> Cal, again, I agree, this is a time to group
together
[22:33] <deacon^> MountainMonk- we *could* also see copycats using
other forms of agression from our own militias here in the states, far
fetched perhaps, but a lot of nuts out there
[22:33] *** Quits: FUBUKI (Connection timed out )
[22:34] <Roger_A> 1,15 U.S. officials said they had received no
credible claim of responsibility in the aftermath of Tuesday's events,
but said their "working assumption" laid responsibility for
the attacks on "overseas terrorism."
[22:34] <float> Locke....it's not the issue of free speech...today
the issue is pulling together in the face of war in our home
[22:34] <Cal> Mingching yes
[22:34] <Glenlivet> Cal ... may I suggest you wake up and realize
how much damage Bush has already done to this nation simply by how many
hate him so deeply ... and I suggest you take your new found information
and realize how wrong and bad Bush is for this nation.
[22:34] <float> Zeno..excellent point.
[22:34] <MountainMonk> deacon^, Arabs coopting rednecks? Nope, can't
see it.
[22:34] * Obscene finishes loading one 12 round .308 winchester clip with
bacon fat coated bullets.
[22:34] <Writer9554> What the GOP cannot deal with is that not all
Americans are marching with the same tune that they feel they can speak
out against but others are denied the same rights when they speak against
their choice for president... I did not see the GOP give the same consideration
for those of us that supported Clinton....
[22:34] <cosmo> deacon^, none of our homegrown nuts have yet demonstrated
the willingness for suicide.
[22:34] <float> Zeno...the Penn crash will give details on the perpetrators
[22:34] <Camille> some small good news...two rescue workers were
pulled out alive...good for them!
[22:34] <Locke> float: I personally encouraged several young men
today to go join the army. it isn't Bush's army, it is our army
[22:34] <Roger_A> 1,15 From http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/investigation.terrorism/
[22:34] <Cal> Glenlivet I hope you can rise above this pettiness
[22:34] <Skullhunter> MountainMonk, you see my point. People try
to grow crops unsuitable for an area, and they're not doing something
stupid, but someone stuck in circumstances not of their own design is.
I love conservative logic. It's so fun to dissect and lay its stinking
guts open to public scrutiny.
[22:34] <fleep> bacon fat
[22:34] <bohunky> lies! all lies! We know the cellphones were down
in Manhatten. this is VRW conspiracy to cover for the whacko fundamentalist
white anarchist that did this
[22:34] <PlagueRat> Where is Sharpeye... he should be here claiming
that there was no evidence that Airplanes ran into the WTC, and that the
BATF had planted bombs in the buildings...
[22:35] <ML> no help for single moms with 2 kids and a deadbeat
dad ? better check the county Da's and ask the former "deadbeat dads"
[22:35] <Mingching> fleep......love that bacon
[22:35] <Brianna> float, you never pull together not now not ever.
i havent seen it
[22:35] <dmoore> float--how? There is no piece larger than a phonebook
at the PA crash site.
[22:35] <cosmo> Locke, why would you encourage anyone to join the
army? Don't you realize you could be sending them to their deaths?
[22:35] <Glenlivet> Cal ... I will oppose Bush every day his fraudlency
sits on America's Oval Office ... that is my patriotic duty as an American.
[22:35] <badmojo> bohunky: haha good one.
[22:35] <Writer9554> wtg Glenlivet
[22:35] <MountainMonk> Skullhunter, where did you get this story?
EVERYONE knows you can't farm in Death Valley. closest place to there
you can farm is Indio.
[22:35] <Brianna> right Glen
[22:35] <asa250> if this had happened on Clinton's watch, the pub
senate would be holding impeachment hearings right now
[22:35] <cosmo> hear here Glenlivet
[22:35] <Zeno> float, here is what the authorities will decide"
the attack was perpetraed by a very small group of fanatics, 20 or less,
who all died in the attack.
[22:35] <PlagueRat> ML - did Newt get help? Did Dan Burton get help????
[22:35] <clay45> yep glenlevit i am with you comrade
[22:35] <Locke> cosmo: because I am too old and skinny to go, and
if it comes to war then somebody has to. they were talking about ditching
off to canada to avoid service
[22:35] <Cal> Glenlivet :( Some things are more serious than petty
feelings
[22:35] <ML> PlagueRat ?
[22:35] <float> dmoore....the Penn crash as far as forensic evidence
is our best chance other than a residence or other communication record
in America
[22:36] <MountainMonk> Glenlivet, you are suddenly popular. :)
[22:36] <fleep> Mingching, cholesterol seems to be a trivial concern
in light of the day
[22:36] <PlagueRat> ML - dead beat dads...
[22:36] <Pame> My son got notified today that he passed his physical
and reference check and got his job.....he got the call to come to work
on Monday, at 6 pm tonight.....the man asked if anyone had called him
to notify him and then apologized....he will never forget the day he was
hired.......
[22:36] <bohunky> Yes, we saw the WTC drop like dominoes indicating
strategically placed timed explosions working perfectly just like Timothy
McVeigh's redneck cousin set them
[22:36] <Skullhunter> MountainMonk, I was trying to make a point
through hyperbole. Klamath isn't Death Valley, but as far as the crops
they're trying to grow there are concerned, it might as well be.
[22:36] <dmoore> float--again, how?
[22:36] <cosmo> Locke, then let them. There are plenty that want
to join up of their own volition.
[22:36] <Obscene> Fleep: Bacon fat is considered unkosher and is
strictly forbidden under islam.
[22:36] <Mingching> fleep, yes
[22:36] <float> Zeno...we will hopefully find who funded them...who
trained them, who gave them shelter
[22:36] <ML> PlagueRat ..do they pay alimony or child support ?
[22:36] <asa250> great pame
[22:36] <Zeno> float. additionally they will say the group is connected
to Laden but not directly and have no evidence yet of the direct orders,
thus no big retaliation
[22:36] <Locke> cosmo: well, I only encouraged them, I didn't notify
the authorities about their ungood thoughtcrime
[22:36] <Pame> asa, its a bitter sweet day....he will never forget
this one....
[22:36] * Brianna bet next thing float will blame the liberals
[22:36] <Glenlivet> Cal ... there is hardly anything petty about
seeing our Constitution overturned and a selected dictator installed into
the Oval Office ... that is far more serious than anything that happened
today.
[22:36] <fleep> Obscene oh, thought it was there to harden arteries
in case the bullet didn't kill
[22:36] <cosmo> lol Locke
[22:36] <PlagueRat> ML - both Newt and Dan Burton failed to pay
child support for a long time.
[22:37] <float> dmoore...I don't know...but that is the one crash
site with contained evidence as opposed to the massive debris in New York
or the Pentagon
[22:37] <Camille> Brianna, of course
[22:37] <MountainMonk> Skullhunter, lol, Klamath was land given
to WWII vets. We have to protect that. It's unusaul for the watershed
to be that low, but they will survive.
[22:37] <Zeno> float, this way the Us is not threatened anymore
[22:37] <Veritas> badmojo, opening the borders to let illegals in
and the ones already here to be "nationalized". Look at today,
not only "illegals" from Mexico, but those from other countries
as well who can slip by "security", get on planes and run them
into buildings full of people in the bldgs and planes. hello
[22:37] <Cal> Glenlivet :(
[22:37] <Cal> Such a sad sad day
[22:37] <Mingching> .
[22:37] <clay45> glenlevit that impostor will certainly try to use
today to get re elected
[22:37] <Obscene> .
[22:37] <PlagueRat> ..
[22:37] <Zeno> ...
[22:37] <bohunky> And Bush's phony speech focusing on international
terrorists to cover for his drunk, cocaine snorting redneck cowboy buddies
who did this to make him look good
[22:37] <PlagueRat> :
[22:37] <Locke> cosmo: they were not convinced by my arguments anyway
[22:37] <Veritas> then, martial law is called; disarmament begins,
and Janet Reno was appointed by Clinton for "domestic Terrorism"
Dept of Defense. hello
[22:37] <Roger_A> ::
[22:37] <Zeno> :.
[22:37] <cosmo> Locke, :)
[22:37] <Brianna> clay45, yes he will
[22:37] <Roger_A> :-)
[22:38] <Zeno> :..:
[22:38] <fleep> bin laden is worth $200 million?
[22:38] <ML> PlagueRat and should we go through the dems in congress
?
[22:38] <float> Zeno....President Bush said we shall make no distinction
between the terrorists and the countries that gave them shelter...they
will be held equally responsible.
[22:38] <bohunky> Zeno/Locke: How'm I doin? ;-)
[22:38] <Aero> bohunky one hell of a novel
[22:38] <Roger_A> ( ).( )
[22:38] <PlagueRat> -___---===---___
[22:38] *** Quits: clay45 (QUIT: User exited )
[22:38] <cosmo> clay45, Shrubs career may very well hinge on his
reactions to todays attack.
[22:38] <Skullhunter> MountainMonk, I understand that. But the point
that some seem to be missing is that the watershed is too low to have
helped them, even if they drained the basin of every drop and gave it
to the farmers. It'd be like giving a man stuck in the desert an ice cream
cone, and then leaving him where he was. The end result is still the same.
[22:38] <Locke> ..."First they came for the liberals, and I
didn't speak up because I wasn't a LIberal..."
[22:38] <dmoore> float--I live just north of there. The local stations
got there before the cops and took lots of pictures. The plane hit the
ground so hard at such an angle, there are no recognizable parts. Maybe
they'll find something in the little bits, but no bonanza.
[22:38] <Mingching> Our own people died today.........pubbies and
libs
[22:38] <badmojo> veritas: ???? and how does that even apply to
klamath?
[22:38] <Pame> ( @ )V( @ ).....oh quit watching will I get undressed.....
[22:38] <DragonFeather> They often refer to Ben Ladin's wealth.
I wonder if there is a way they can get his money?
[22:38] <Camille> veritas, ah the trash all immigrants Buchanan
style of politics...so Pat thinks he can capitalize on this tragedy by
pitting Middle Easterners against God Fearing true blue Americans...please...
[22:38] <Zeno> float, Bush is just saying that. he said simliar
things with the China issue and failed to back it up
[22:38] <Glenlivet> clay45 .. that was always the Right's plan ..
get a war started in hopes the people would rally behind Bush ... but
it is falling apart at the seams
[22:38] <asa250> float...bush read a speech....did he understand....will
he followup?
[22:38] <fleep> Guess money doesn't buy happiness
[22:38] <Veritas> badmojo, because in order to control the people
during martial law, there will be rationed food.
[22:38] <Cal> exactly Mingching Americans. Fellow Americans
[22:38] <MountainMonk> anyone want to make a few million dollars?
I've asked this before today, and didn't get any volunteers. You guys
have no sense of adventure. :)
[22:39] <aalfred> dan rather has been on TV about 17 hours now.
I watched him most of the time
[22:39] <PlagueRat> -/\/\/\
[22:39] <float> dmoore...we need a break..to find any clue as to
who caused this crash..then we can investigate backwards to their supporters.
[22:39] <ML> a few million ?
[22:39] <float> asa250 cheap troll
[22:39] <Pame> Rat nipples.....
[22:39] <Veritas> Camille, you misrepresent Buchanan badly
[22:39] <dmoore> cosmo--I definitely agree that this may well be
Bush's "defining moment". Unless, God forbid, something worse
happens.
[22:39] <badmojo> veritas: i have no idea what you are talking about.
what martial law?
[22:39] * Obscene finds his other clip.
[22:39] <cosmo> they found a car in an airport parking garage containing
flight training manuals writen in Arabic.
[22:39] <bohunky> Aero: I got more....Condit caper was the distraction
while McVeigh & Chandra incognito applied the timing devices after
the fake execution & disappearance
[22:39] <Zeno> ( | ) mooning Bush!
[22:39] <MountainMonk> ML, quite a few, downside is, you will probably
die. Game?
[22:39] <DragonFeather> They often refer to Ben Ladin's wealth.
I wonder if there is a way they can get his money?
[22:39] <Roger_A> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010911-16.html
[22:39] <Glenlivet> Cal ... never ever confuse Bush huggers with
Americans ...
[22:39] <asa250> float...I never troll
[22:39] * Mingching wonders why the living fellow Americans are at odds
when there is a killer out to get us all
[22:39] <DragonFeather> anyone?
[22:39] <Camille> veritas, I represent it exactly...you actually
are glowing....how sick
[22:39] <float> cosmo..Titled 'DNC'
[22:39] <Skullhunter> Camille, yay, maybe we can put all the Middle
Eastern citizens in camps like they did with the Japanese during WW2,
they're obviously a danger to us all.
[22:39] <Writer9554> If Bush is so great how come the plane is still
in China....
[22:39] <float> asa250 until tonight....?
[22:40] <PlagueRat> float - he really didn't read it as if he had
good comprehension of it... of course, he probably had only seen it 15
minutes before, and was waiting for hte Cliff Notes version to come out.
[22:40] <cosmo> float, what happened to bipartisanship?
[22:40] <Zeno> .,.,.
[22:40] <Cal> Glenlivet :(
[22:40] <Veritas> badmojo, it means you cannot get on a plane to
go anywhere. You are rationed food. you will have a curfew. and you will
not be able to travel across borders without some problem
[22:40] <ML> MountainMonk it isn't a question to answer ?
[22:40] <badmojo> a car with arabic flight training manuals? That
has bin laden all over it.
[22:40] <float> Camille...you actually do have a very fearful nature
[22:40] <Pame> the KNIVES were made up of plastic handles embedded
with razor blades....
[22:40] <Camille> Skullhunter, yep the racists would love that
[22:40] <fleep> Mingching because some people would rather be right
than alive
[22:40] <Veritas> no, Camille, you represent nothing of Buchanan
[22:40] <Roger_A> From "Run RMC".. Oh.. me so Bushy!!
/~
[22:40] <asa250> Mingching.....because we want to be defended, not
just lose our liberties and see our land raped
[22:40] <dmoore> float--I agree we need evidence. I'm just saying
that I'm not sure that crash site is what you think it is. The crater
was so comapct, they first thought it was a commuter plane.
[22:40] <MountainMonk> ML, I'd love to, if I had the funding.
[22:40] <Locke> Mingching: because at times like this, those in
authority sometimes abuse their power in order to stifle all opposition
to their policies, and we want to make sure that doesn't happen here.
[22:40] <float> cosmo...did I attack Clinton?
[22:40] <fleep> And that helicopter outside isn't making the night
any calmer
[22:40] <Camille> Veritas, thank god
[22:40] <maggiejo> Mingching beats me..no wonder it was so easy
for terrorists to do this ..a country so divided can't be protected against
such acts.
[22:40] <PlagueRat> float - endlessly!
[22:40] <MountainMonk> ML, as you can tell, I'm no pacifist. :)
[22:41] <Skullhunter> Camille, indeed. After all, if they embrace
their ethnic origins at all, or worship something besides the one true
God, they can't be considered Americans.
[22:41] <bohunky> but all this will come out when Ben Laden is falsly
accused & Perry Mason style takes stand in his own defense & tricks
prosecutors into charging Americans for all crimes of the century
[22:41] <Locke> Not in America. Not again.
[22:41] <float> Plague there is no comparison to this and everything
Clinton did
[22:41] <ML> MountainMonk :)
[22:41] <Cal> maggiejo hopefully some of the bitterness in here
is localized.
[22:41] <Veritas> 2 weeks maybe till martial law. there will be
more terrorism, because the terrorists aren't done with us yet.
[22:41] <Camille> Skullhunter, exactly!
[22:41] * Obscene finishes loading one 10 round 8mm Mauser clip with bacon
fat coated bullets.
[22:41] <Zeno> Skullhunter, apparently the Islamic god is more powerful
than the Christian one
[22:41] <float> This is an act of war...has'nt this sunk in yet?
[22:41] * Mingching wonders why the living fellow Americans bash each
other at such a sallow time
[22:41] <float> 86% of Americans say this is an act of War
[22:41] <Locke> of course, we did imprison those japanese in WWII,
and we did let Macarthyism happen, and we did let an election be stolen,
but THIS time for sure we'll stick to the original founding principles
[22:41] <bohunky> Zeno: us said that before....why?
[22:41] <cosmo> What are you Veritas, the harbinger of doom?
[22:42] <dmoore> float--the problem is, we don't know who the enemy
is.
[22:42] <Glenlivet> float ... your vicious attacks on Clinton is
partly responsible for making Dems realize that we have to play by YOUR
rules
[22:42] <Roger_A> maggiejo, I disagree. Tho we are divided on many
issues in the US, I really doubt that ANY native born Americans were involved.
Most Americans understand that political disagreements do not justify
violence.
[22:42] <fleep> Mingching, misplaced and misguided rage
[22:42] <MountainMonk> ML, you'd think with all that cash offered
up, someone would have at least tried to get to him. Even Arabs?
[22:42] <Skullhunter> MountainMonk, if I didn't have kids, I'd be
there with bells on one a target was identified. I found out a friend
lost five people today, two cousins in the tower and three on one of the
flights.
[22:42] <PlagueRat> war following a coup... bad time for the US
[22:42] <Zeno> Mingching, unlike Pearl harbor, we do not know who
the perpetrator is, thus the misfirected anger
[22:42] <Cal> Mingching I am so sad by what I have witnessed
[22:42] <float> Glenlivet....I attacked Clinton for what he did
wrong.
[22:42] <Skullhunter> one=once
[22:42] <ML> Zeno power defined as what to you ?
[22:42] <Mingching> fleep, yes
[22:42] <bohunky> Locke: 2 out of 3 aint bad
[22:42] <float> Glenlivet....let's see what Bush does right to protect
America
[22:42] <asa250> Maggiejo.....Bush embraces the Christian Coalition.....inflames
the fundamentalist arabs....invites a holy war....and you wonder why we
don't rush to support him?
[22:42] <Glenlivet> float .. and that is what we are doing with
Bush ...
[22:42] <aalfred> We're at war..but with who
[22:42] <Zeno> bohunky said what?
[22:42] <Camille> Locke, those are lofty principals but we have
a compromised leader that has no leadership qualities while having to
pretend we do.
[22:42] <PlagueRat> Poppy Bush probably had the CIA crash the planes
to give Dubya way to rally the country behind him....
[22:42] <fleep> Give us confirmation on who precisely to go after,
and almost all of us will drop the rhetoric
[22:42] <float> Glenlivet...Bush bombed no one
[22:42] <cosmo> float, the only thing Clinton did wrong was being
promiscous. BFD
[22:42] <DragonFeather> They often refer to Ben Ladin's wealth.
I wonder if there is a way they can get his money?
[22:42] * Obscene opens up his handgun case
[22:43] <bohunky> Zeno: Islamic god/ christian god
[22:43] <badmojo> mebbe veritas will let us live on his planet while
the earth goes through martial law.
[22:43] <Zeno> Ml., I knew you would bite
[22:43] <MountainMonk> Skullhunter, I have a daughter. That didn't
stop folks in WW2. My dad was in 'Nam when I was 10. If yoiu die, it's
not for nothing, in this case anyway?
[22:43] <Glenlivet> float ... it was reported today that the Bush
administration knew about this three weeks ago
[22:43] <Zeno> bohunky. I am being satirical
[22:43] <Mingching> Ok, that's it!
[22:43] <float> PlagueRat...my god...you stoop lower and lower
[22:43] <float> cosmo....he never denied rape
[22:43] <cosmo> LOL
[22:43] [Mingching SOUND]
[22:43] <ML> MountainMonk what's the reward ? let's make it what
....$100,000,000 that's sounds inviting heh ?
[22:43] <maggiejo> Roger_A while everyone is too busy fighting over
petty issues Americans are dead and dying..easy to get that cause no one
is paying attention..too busy fighting with each other..just my opinion.
[22:43] <Zeno> Mingching :/
[22:43] <float> Glenlivet....for 8 years Bin Laden has made threats
[22:43] [Mingching SOUND]
[22:43] <ML> Zeno answer the question .......
[22:43] <badmojo> glen: where did you *ahem* read that.
[22:43] <PlagueRat> float - you ain't seen nothing yet... just watch
the next line *grin*
[22:43] <float> Glenlivet..we had no warning this would happen
[22:43] <bohunky> Zeno: as in America christian/ plane pilots Islamic?
[22:44] <Skullhunter> MountainMonk, I couldn't conscience doing
something I know would definitley without a doubt get me very dead on
them.
[22:44] <Glenlivet> float .. and Bush just went on vacation and
allowed it to happen ... he should resign immediately
[22:44] <float> PlagueRat...you're lucky you can hide on irc
[22:44] <Mingching> fleep, do you think i got my point across yet?
[22:44] <Camille> maggiejo, it's a venting process somewhat..but
it's also a grief process
[22:44] <Zeno> bohunky. It's sarcasm. satire on the idea of a god
even existing
[22:44] <DragonFeather> okay, I guess you people only talk to yourselves
and not a newcomer with a sincere question, bye
[22:44] <MountainMonk> ML. last I heard, the Justice Dept had it
at $40 million. Some in here have quoted larger numbers tonight, but that's
the last official one I heard.
[22:44] <float> Glenlivet...cheap troll
[22:44] *** Quits: DragonFeather (QUIT: User exited )
[22:44] <dmoore> maggiejo--makes you nostalgic for the Cold War
doesn't it? Then we had this nice foreign enemy instead of turning on
each other.
[22:44] <Zeno> ML. what question? repeat it
[22:44] <PlagueRat> DATELINE - NYC - In a startling revelation,
it turns out that The Tequila Twins were taking flight lessons from JFK...
and drunkenly ran into the WTC after mistaking them for vertical runways....
[22:44] <Glenlivet> float .. the fact do hurt, amigo
[22:44] <MountainMonk> Skullhunter, understood.
[22:44] <Obscene> 2 10 little , 9 little, 8 little Taliban..
[22:44] <ML> Zeno won't play that game .....
[22:44] <Mingching> lol
[22:44] <Roger_A> float .. was that a threat? Hmm..
[22:45] <bohunky> Zeno: I understand & love sarcasm...it needs
reference. I thot I saw urs but was looking for the funny
[22:45] <Mingching> Obscene......lol
[22:45] <float> Roger_A....was it?
[22:45] <Obscene> 2 7 little , 6 little, 5 little Taliban..
[22:45] <Zeno> PlagueRat, they thought Chandra's driver's license
was a pilot license?
[22:45] <Cal> PlagueRat Im not sure that is appropriate. This is
very serious
[22:45] <Skullhunter> dmoore, we turned on each other then too,
lest we forget about Joltin' Joe McCarthy and his merry little band of
witchhunters.
[22:45] <ML> MountainMonk i like the sound of 100 million :)
[22:45] <asa250> a great people "has" been moved
[22:45] <float> Roger_A.....uh...are you paying attention to the
treasonous posts in channel?
[22:45] <maggiejo> Camille venting has been done for months now,
now is not the time for it when there are thousands of Americans dead
and more dying as the venting goes on.
[22:45] <float> Cal..you're not sure?
[22:45] <bohunky> Plague: vertical runways are the most difficult
to land
[22:45] <MountainMonk> ML, I could live with 40, of course I'd probably
need half that many men.
[22:45] <Cal> I dont think we should joke about this. It is much
to serious
[22:45] <Obscene> 2 4 little , 3 little, 2 little Taliban..
[22:45] <PlagueRat> Cal - it's totally inappropriate... but float
just keeps egging it on... so, I thought I'd give him a heaping helping.
[22:45] <Cal> float I am devistated at this all
[22:45] <float> Cal...they can't help it...to them this is just
another exciting news day
[22:45] <ML> lol
[22:45] <MountainMonk> Cal, are you nder the impression I'm joking?
[22:46] <willow> PlagueRat, that is funny, tequila twins
[22:46] <Pame> In a cellphone call, a father of 3 called his wife
to say the terrorists were killing the passengers and they KNEW they were
going to die, but the 3 remaining took down the plane that crashed in
PA.....he told his wife....."honey, I love you".....
[22:46] <Mingching> 12Just because we don't have the attackee, doesn't
mean we have to attack each other, unless we did it
[22:46] <Camille> maggiejo, this country was attacked in a profound
way and we are reacting in crazy ways...there is no script. In time to
come, it may even get worse...I suspect it will. This is just initial
reactions.
[22:46] <dmoore> Hello? Yoo Hoo!! The bad guys were the ones in
the planes. Not other chatters. Sheesh, if I was in combat, I wouldn't
want most of you in my foxhole.
[22:46] <Writer9554> maggiejo and do tell us what your great appointed
leader did tonight in hsi speech to say anthing about having an national
day of morning instead of stating that tomorrow will be as business as
usual, then you ask and wonder why people do not support Bush the way
you would like all Americans to do,,, When America once again has a leader
that leads then we will be untied once again but not until that day once
again arrives...
[22:46] <float> Cal...to liberals they can just call in sick
[22:46] <Zeno> Cal. it's part of the grieving
[22:46] <float> willow....not funny
[22:46] <willow> float, it is sooooo funny
[22:46] <float> sad
[22:46] <Zeno> Writer9554 magg is from Australia
[22:46] <Roger_A> treason? Oh yeah.. I see. So, disagreement with
the person in the office of the President is treason to you, Mr Float?
Interesting. Verry Verrrrrrrrrrrry Interesting. Sounds.. no.. SMELLS..
fascistic to me..
[22:46] <MountainMonk> anyway, age does make cowards of us all...
[22:46] <asa250> dmoore...if you were in combat, you wouldn't find
any pubs around
[22:46] <Cal> Zeno well it makes me so sad that I type thru tears
[22:46] <aalfred> Pame...I can't get used to the idea that people
in that situation...or like Columbine, can just call out
[22:46] <PlagueRat> Roger - sounds a little "
[22:46] <ML> Writer9554 you are free to mourn ...
[22:46] <MountainMonk> and kids. :)
[22:46] <dmoore> asa--wanna bet?
[22:46] <PlagueRat> Roger - sounds a little "Stalinistic"
to me....
[22:47] <Zeno> cal, everyone goes through the stages of grieving
at different rates
[22:47] <bohunky> tv reporting intelligence is 99% sure Ben Laden
is behind the attack
[22:47] <Pame> aalfred, we are a cell phone nation.....
[22:47] <asa250> dmoore...very few in vietnam...
[22:47] <Roger_A> PlagueRat, sounds inane to me.. from a man/child..
[22:47] <Zeno> dmoore I would bet
[22:47] <Stevetalk> rehi
[22:47] <bohunky> but we must hold out for the final 1%.....
[22:47] <deacon^> wb Stevetalk
[22:47] <Mingching> hi Stevetalk
[22:47] *** Quits: ML (Connection reset by peer )
[22:47] <dmoore> asa--my family has a long history of manufacturing
fine corn whiskey--at home, so to speak. ;)
[22:47] <Camille> Does anyone know how to react to such a profound
disaster?
[22:47] <Brianna> hey Steven :)
[22:47] <Cal> MountainMonk I did not see your post so I was not
referring to you
[22:47] <PlagueRat> bohunky - the same intelligence that identified
Richard Jewell as the bomber, or missed th collapse of the Soviet Union????
[22:47] <bohunky> musn't be too hasty...
[22:47] <Zeno> LOL PlagueRat
[22:48] <MountainMonk> Cal, me and a fellow chatter were talking
about going after Bin Laden. For real.
[22:48] <Stevetalk> Amazon's got a good set up. They've turned their
home page into a site to accept Red Cross donations
[22:48] <bohunky> PlagueRat: yes, mustn't be too hasty
[22:48] <Stevetalk> Hey Brianna :*)
[22:48] <Brianna> Camille, we all do it in our own way. and maybe
we dont even know what our own way is until something such as this happens
[22:48] <PlagueRat> Roger - it's that buildup of unused testosterone...
poisons the brain.
[22:48] <Stevetalk> ty deacon^:)
[22:48] <Cal> Oh MountainMonk
[22:48] <Mingching> cool Steve
[22:48] <Roger_A> lol
[22:48] <badmojo> The same intelligence that fingered Wen Ho Lee
for a chinese spy.
[22:48] <Stevetalk> hi Mingching!
[22:48] <bohunky> can't believe what u hear....making it up is much
more credible
[22:48] <Skullhunter> PlagueRat, indeed.
[22:48] <Mingching> :)
[22:48] <dmoore> Zeno--doesn't matter--I don't drink. Gave it up
when it was making me sick. Realized if it wasn't fun, it was pretty stupid.
[22:48] <bohunky> wait for the Warren Report
[22:48] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> plague, it was in their interest
to present as frightening a picture of the russian military as possible
[22:48] <Writer9554> ML a true leader would have stated as much
but since we have an appointed one what more can we expect....
[22:48] <willow> Faux news was reporting that American Red Cross
did not need blood donations while at the same time CNN was reporting
that they do....ok.
[22:48] <float> 4LET'S SEE....CLINTON LET THIS GUY OSAMA BIN LADEN
GO FREE FOR EIGHT YEARS...HE BOMBED TWO EMBASSIES IN TWO COUNTRIES...KILLING
HUNDREDS..HE BOMBED KOBI TOWERS IN SAUDI ARABIA, KILLING SCORES OF US
SERVICE PERSONNEL...NOW OSAMA THANKS TO CLINTON LEAVING HIM ALONE HAS
LIKELY KILLED SEVERAL THOUSAND TO POSSIBLY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS.
[22:48] <MountainMonk> not the first time I've thrown that idea
out. All the patriots in the room just go limp. :)
[22:48] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> that way they could pick our pockets
for the cold war for 50+ years
[22:48] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> 40+
[22:49] <Mingching> float, cut it out
[22:49] <Camille> brianna, agreed. It will take a long time to digest
what happened today.
[22:49] <Brianna> bye float :) ur on ignore. dont need anymore of
that
[22:49] <float> 4HE BOMBED TWO EMBASSIES IN TWO COUNTRIES...KILLING
HUNDREDS..HE BOMBED KOBI TOWERS IN SAUDI ARABIA, KILLING SCORES OF US
SERVICE PERSONNEL...NOW OSAMA THANKS TO CLINTON LEAVING HIM ALONE HAS
LIKELY KILLED SEVERAL THOUSAND TO POSSIBLY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS.
[22:49] <Brianna> Camille, yes it will
[22:49] <badmojo> float: what if it was saddam hussein who was responsible.
Are you going to be as critical of GHWB?
[22:49] <MountainMonk> yep, that's enough of that.
[22:49] * PlagueRat watches float take of his clothes and run around the
room screaming at the top of his lungs... WOW, not enough attention, eh
dude????
[22:49] *** Roger_A sets mode: +b *!*@66.61.10.*
[22:49] <Stevetalk> willow, I heard 60,000 units available but more
would be needed for the next couple of weeks and then to replenish stocks
[22:49] <fleep> muchas gracias
[22:49] <maggiejo> Zeno I am also American :-)
[22:49] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> float, i'm not aware of any evidence
that clinton 'let bin laden go'
[22:49] <dmoore> float--and Bush took care of him right away, right?
[22:49] <Pame> 4 FLOAT YOUR PRESIDENT SENT OSAMA MILLIONS IN JANUARY.....HE
USED IT TO KILL AMERICANS!
[22:49] <Zeno> WTG Roger_A
[22:49] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> if you have some, i'd like to
hear it.
[22:49] <Brianna> Pame, Billions!
[22:50] <Glenlivet> 4float ... let's play your game ... this is
the same bin Lauden that was recruited, funded, and trained by Reagan
[22:50] <Stevetalk> oh float, float, float
[22:50] <Zeno> Glenlivet ayup
[22:50] <Stevetalk> Glenlivet, lol
[22:50] <bohunky> silly to believe Ben Laden who announced, trained,
promised, to make extreme hit on heart of USA actually had the nerve to
do it
[22:50] <Pame> bRIANNA YES....
[22:50] <asa250> Glenlivet...see many here you would want in combat
with you....I don't
[22:50] <bohunky> Laden needed a few more Embassy practice runs
I'm sure...fine tune it uno
[22:50] <Cal> Many Americans were killed today.
[22:50] <Skullhunter> Glenlivet, who's being harbored by the same
Afghanistan that we sent $42 million to.
[22:50] <MountainMonk> brb
[22:51] <Locke> bohunky: international anarchists also made that
threat
[22:51] <Mingching> Americans need each other now, more than ever
[22:51] <Stevetalk> Pame, Ben Ladin has 200 million of his own.
How come no one goes after that?
[22:51] <PlagueRat> Steve - they might do so now...
[22:51] <Skullhunter> But go right ahead, focus on Clinton, let's
just sweep under the rug the part about the men that made it possible
for him to become what he is in the first place.
[22:51] <Locke> I imagine hardly a day goes by that someone doesn't
declare their intention to bring down what they see as the Great Satan
[22:51] <Brianna> Mingching, if any of this was meant to make shrub
ligetimate, it didnt work
[22:51] <bohunky> Skullhunter: why don't we collect our 42mil &
clean some floors while we're at it
[22:51] <Stevetalk> PlagueRat, I hope so, I wonder if they ever
tried
[22:51] <Stevetalk> ?
[22:51] <Glenlivet> 4float ... shall we play again ... this is the
same bin Lauden that Bush gave 43 mil in January ... your tax dollars
funded today's attack
[22:51] <Locke> it's pretty compelling, but it's not proof
[22:52] <Cal> yes Mingching
[22:52] * Obscene finishes loading one 6 round 45ACP clip with bacon fat
coated bullets.
[22:52] <asa250> right brianna
[22:52] <Mingching> Brianna, i doubt that, even he looked surprised
[22:52] <PlagueRat> Glen - float's been given a time out...
[22:52] <Pame> My mother has now lived thru 5 wars with only ONE
being on our soil.....from WW1 when she was just 6 to this one.....
[22:52] <bohunky> Skullhunter: or are there some precious varmits
in Afganistan we would disturb?
[22:52] <Brianna> Mingching, he always does
[22:52] <dmoore> Locke--it's not like these guys have a strict hierarchy,
unless it was state-sponsored. Several groups responsible for things in
the past are loosely connnected. It may take some time to sort it all
out.
[22:52] <Skullhunter> bohunky, here's a better question. Why aren't
we asking why we gave them $42 million in the first place? Why aren't
we asking why we paid for and TRAINED this psycho in the first place?
[22:52] <Zeno> Glenlivet. let's look at the entire story. Reagan
fundd the Mujahadeen, then they turned on Bush when he put bases in Saudi
Arabia for the iraq battle
[22:52] <Mingching> Brianna, people died today
[22:52] <Havoc> Silly people.
[22:52] <Brianna> Pame, has she said anything about todays events?
[22:52] <bohunky> Skullhunter: don't u already know that answer?
[22:52] <Bubble> hi Stevetalk, how r u today?
[22:52] <Camille> Skullhunter, why aren
[22:52] <bohunky> Skullhunter: remember the wall
[22:53] <Brianna> Mingching, i am very aware of that.
[22:53] <Locke> dmoore: exactly. sure, go ahead and capture bin
laden, if we can, but by all means don't stop investigating, because it
may not have been him at all, and we HAVE to stop whoever it was
[22:53] <maggiejo> cherie wb
[22:53] <Brianna> hi cherie
[22:53] <PlagueRat> bohunky - *LAUGH* now that is a humorous scenario...
we declare war on some country, and they take the DOD to court to stop
the war because of the endangered species act!!!!!!!!!
[22:53] <Pame> Brianna, she said she is very scared.....she's watched
some, but can't take much for long.....
[22:53] <Mingching> hi cherie
[22:53] <cherie> maggiejo...hi....
[22:53] <Stevetalk> Skullhunter, I may be off in my dates but weren't
we hoping the Taliban wouldn't destroy those statues if we gave them bucks?
[22:53] <cherie> Brianna...hello
[22:53] <Cal> hi cherie
[22:53] <cherie> Ming...hi...how are you
[22:53] <maggiejo> Stevetalk wb
[22:53] <bohunky> Skullhunter: they called it the Cold War, but
that was the same people who arrested Richard Jewell eh?
[22:53] <Bubble> hi cherie
[22:53] <Pame> My dogs have been jumpy all day.....
[22:53] <cherie> Cal...howdy...
[22:53] <Stevetalk> cherie :*)
[22:53] <Brianna> Pame, okay. i wondered what she thought. she has
alot of experience
[22:53] <Stevetalk> maggiejo, thank you
[22:53] <Skullhunter> bohunky, the only thing in danger of being
disturbed here are the illusions that Bin Laden just popped up out of
nowhere, which is what conservatives would like us to believe, when in
reality it's conservatives policies that CREATED him in the first place.
[22:53] <cherie> Bubble...hello
[22:53] <Camille> we should be questioning and questioning and questioning
how highjackers could so easily kill so many.....why?
[22:53] <cherie> Stevetalkk :)
[22:53] <Stevetalk> :*)
[22:53] <Mingching> cherie, trying to comprehend today's events
[22:53] <Pame> Brianna, I don't think it has all sunk in yet for
her.....I don't think for us......
[22:53] <Stevetalk> bbiab
[22:54] <Stevetalk> hey Bubble!!
[22:54] <Stevetalk> bbiab
[22:54] <Mingching> cherie, how 'bout you?
[22:54] <bohunky> Skullhunter: who believes that?
[22:54] <Zeno> Skullhunter frm the Mujahadeen to Kuwait, reagan
and bush created Bin Laden
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[22:54] <cherie> Ming...i have been trying too...without success...
[22:54] <boiler> steve,,,it was for destroying the poppies,war on
drugs
[22:54] <Cal> cherie a lot of hate here. It is so sad
[22:54] * PlagueRat waves... time to go... later.
[22:54] <Skullhunter> bohunky, yes, and the same people that thought
Manuel Noriega and Saddam Hussein were trustworthy allies.
[22:54] <asa250> Pame...it hasn't sunk in on most here because they
were not in danger
[22:54] <bohunky> Skullhunter: where are the good guys that do the
dirty work?
[22:54] <Mingching> nite Rat
[22:54] <Brianna> gnite Rat
[22:54] <dmoore> Locke--and, on the assumption it was him, there
are others around. We personalize these things--take care of just one
person (be it Saddam or Bush or Bin Ladin or Clinton) and all will be
well.
[22:54] <maggiejo> plage bye
[22:54] <cherie> Cal...i agree...i have been reevaluating my life
certainly...this will do it
[22:54] <Locke> it just goes to show you, letting the government
fund guerilla groups in other countries just isn't a good idea, especially
if you do it behind people's backs and fund it with drug money
[22:54] <Roger_A> Nite Rat
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[22:54] <Brianna> Pame, yes thats true
[22:54] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> skull, i didn't think the invasion
of panama was in any way justified
[22:54] <Pame> asa, for me it is real, I know someone who died there
today....
[22:55] <Obscene> .
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[22:55] <Zeno> .....
[22:55] <bohunky> Skullhunter: its the best dictators & bad
guys auditioning at the time.....geeez
[22:55] <cosmo> Pame, how do you know they are actually dead?
[22:55] <Locke> I envy those who can sleep
[22:55] <dmoore> Locke--you'd think we would have learned that in
Iran.
[22:55] * Obscene finishes loading one 8 round 10mm clip with bacon fat
coated bullets.
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[22:55] <Pame> cosmo, there was a man on TV who survived and said
he worked on the 78th floor, same as my friend
[22:55] <cherie> Ming...i have been watching the news..
[22:55] <Pame> 's husband.....
[22:55] <Camille> Pame, many in my class tonight were directly hit
by today's event. I am grieving deeply for them.
[22:55] <Locke> dmoore: I hear the addiction to money and power
is the hardest of all to break
[22:55] <Mingching> Obscene, please share the fat
[22:55] <Gearry> If you're going to dish it out, you'd better be
able to take it.
[22:55] <cosmo> Pame, I'm sorry to hear that.
[22:55] <Pame> this man was late to work, and he said everyone in
his office ont he 78th floor was dead.....
[22:55] <bohunky> Skullhunter: what good guy in Colombia are we
setting up to save democracy for SAmer. & save the rain forest?
[22:55] <Mingching> cherie, same here
[22:56] <badmojo> pame: the north or south tower?
[22:56] <Pame> cos, so am I.....
[22:56] <dmoore> Locke--I don't know that from personal experience.
:)
[22:56] <Skullhunter> bohunky, we don't have good guys that do the
dirty work, we go the cheap and lazy route and get bad guys to do the
dirty work, then whine and complain when they turn on us. You can't domesticate
a rattlesnake. You either leave it where it is, or smash it when it tries
to bite you. You don't try to teach it to do tricks for you, they only
know one, and it involves their fangs and your flesh.
[22:56] <Pame> badmojo, #1 tower.....I'm not sure which one that
is.....
[22:56] <Mingching> Ohhh Pame
[22:56] * Obscene finishes loading a second 8 round 10mm clip with bacon
fat coated bullets.
[22:56] <badmojo> the north tower was hit first.
[22:56] <cherie> Ming...it is beyond words...
[22:56] <bohunky> Skullhunter: no we take out the bad guy when he
turns on us.....or else we wouldn't be the good guys
[22:56] <asa250> Pame...I had a friend who got off the Edmund Fitzgerald
two weeks before it sunk.....he has never gotten over it.
[22:56] <Mingching> cherie, yes it is
[22:56] <Brianna> we didnt though, bohunky
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